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Nick Thompson

Re: Advice on configuring computers

Ok, folks, .... the mystery continues.

Of the 12 G I freed up on my computer moving stuff to the external HD and deleting stuff AND deleting the trash AND cleaning up system files, repeatedly, all but 5 G had been replaced 24 hours later! I had done nothing on the machine in the meantime but answer email.
Are you SURE that there is no way that some program has gone berserk an is busily cloning stuff on my HD? Are there any programs that are prone to that sort of thing? Outlook? Firefox?

Just double checking.

Nick

Nicholas S. Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
Clark University
http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

-----Original Message-----
From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Marcus Daniels
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2018 9:44 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Advice on configuring computers

How about $10 a gallon gas and $2000 / month rent? I'd settle for that.

On 10/11/18, 12:14 PM, "Friam on behalf of Nick Thompson" <[hidden email] on behalf of [hidden email]> wrote:

Thanks, Barry,

But we Puritans think that currency inflation is one of the wages of sin, and if we spend less money, the world will returned to an earlier State of Grace. I still remember 25 cent gasoline on Ashby Avenue in Berkeley. That's what gasoline SHOULD cost.

Nick

Nicholas S. Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
Clark University
http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

-----Original Message-----
From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Barry MacKichan
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2018 12:36 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Advice on configuring computers

This may not be any consolation, but these “dollars” you speak of, thanks to inflation, are what we used to call in our childhood, “dimes”.

--Barry

On 10 Oct 2018, at 12:30, Nick Thompson wrote:

> I HATE to spend more than 1K for a computer. It seems a mortal
> injustice, an assault upon my mongrel puritan soul. But perhaps it's
> time to suck it up?
>

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Tom Johnson

Re: Advice on configuring computers

Nick:

This might be of interest

NETWORK TOOLS

SEAFILE	SCIENCE
www.seafile.com
Seafile is a cloud storage solution similar to Dropbox or Google Drive. However, unlike those services, the Seafile server is self-hosted on hardware controlled by the user. Users can interact with their files in two primary modes. In the first mode, using the Drive client, files are downloaded as needed without an initial synchronization step. Copies of files that are in use are stored locally, both for speed and to provide offline access, but users don't need to have space locally for all their cloud files. In Syncing mode, a library of files is synchronized to the local device. After the initial synchronization, only changed portions of files are sent over the network. In both modes, users may opt to enable client-side file encryption, which encrypts files prior to sending them to the server. Seafile desktop clients are available for Windows, macOS, and Linux. Mobile clients are available for Android and iOS devices. Seafile servers are available for Windows and Linux. Home users may be interested in the Raspberry Pi version. [CRH]

On Sat, Oct 13, 2018, 7:34 AM Nick Thompson <[hidden email]> wrote:

Ok, folks, .... the mystery continues.

Of the 12 G I freed up on my computer moving stuff to the external HD and deleting stuff AND deleting the trash AND cleaning up system files, repeatedly, all but 5 G had been replaced 24 hours later! I had done nothing on the machine in the meantime but answer email.
Are you SURE that there is no way that some program has gone berserk an is busily cloning stuff on my HD? Are there any programs that are prone to that sort of thing? Outlook? Firefox?

Just double checking.

Nick

Nicholas S. Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
Clark University
http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

-----Original Message-----
From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Marcus Daniels
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2018 9:44 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Advice on configuring computers

How about $10 a gallon gas and $2000 / month rent? I'd settle for that.

On 10/11/18, 12:14 PM, "Friam on behalf of Nick Thompson" <[hidden email] on behalf of [hidden email]> wrote:

Thanks, Barry,

But we Puritans think that currency inflation is one of the wages of sin, and if we spend less money, the world will returned to an earlier State of Grace. I still remember 25 cent gasoline on Ashby Avenue in Berkeley. That's what gasoline SHOULD cost.

Nick

Nicholas S. Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
Clark University
http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

-----Original Message-----
From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Barry MacKichan
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2018 12:36 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Advice on configuring computers

This may not be any consolation, but these “dollars” you speak of, thanks to inflation, are what we used to call in our childhood, “dimes”.

--Barry

On 10 Oct 2018, at 12:30, Nick Thompson wrote:

> I HATE to spend more than 1K for a computer. It seems a mortal
> injustice, an assault upon my mongrel puritan soul. But perhaps it's
> time to suck it up?
>

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Marcus G. Daniels

Re: Advice on configuring computers

In reply to this post by Nick Thompson

Maybe indexing by the system or Outlook, or a large swapfile. If you suspect something is gone bezerk fire-up task manager and watch what is happening.
Indexing might asymptotically reach a maximum but had not because you had run out of space.

On 10/12/18, 11:34 PM, "Friam on behalf of Nick Thompson" <[hidden email] on behalf of [hidden email]> wrote:

Ok, folks, .... the mystery continues.

Of the 12 G I freed up on my computer moving stuff to the external HD and deleting stuff AND deleting the trash AND cleaning up system files, repeatedly, all but 5 G had been replaced 24 hours later! I had done nothing on the machine in the meantime but answer email.
Are you SURE that there is no way that some program has gone berserk an is busily cloning stuff on my HD? Are there any programs that are prone to that sort of thing? Outlook? Firefox?

Just double checking.

Nick

Nicholas S. Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
Clark University
http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

-----Original Message-----
From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Marcus Daniels
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2018 9:44 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Advice on configuring computers

How about $10 a gallon gas and $2000 / month rent? I'd settle for that.

On 10/11/18, 12:14 PM, "Friam on behalf of Nick Thompson" <[hidden email] on behalf of [hidden email]> wrote:

Thanks, Barry,

But we Puritans think that currency inflation is one of the wages of sin, and if we spend less money, the world will returned to an earlier State of Grace. I still remember 25 cent gasoline on Ashby Avenue in Berkeley. That's what gasoline SHOULD cost.

Nick

Nicholas S. Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
Clark University
http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

-----Original Message-----
From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Barry MacKichan
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2018 12:36 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Advice on configuring computers

This may not be any consolation, but these “dollars” you speak of, thanks to inflation, are what we used to call in our childhood, “dimes”.

--Barry

On 10 Oct 2018, at 12:30, Nick Thompson wrote:

> I HATE to spend more than 1K for a computer. It seems a mortal
> injustice, an assault upon my mongrel puritan soul. But perhaps it's
> time to suck it up?
>

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Roger Critchlow-2

Re: Advice on configuring computers

I'd wonder how much space you've allocated for browser caching.

-- rec --

On Sat, Oct 13, 2018 at 1:00 PM Marcus Daniels <[hidden email]> wrote:

Maybe indexing by the system or Outlook, or a large swapfile. If you suspect something is gone bezerk fire-up task manager and watch what is happening.
Indexing might asymptotically reach a maximum but had not because you had run out of space.

On 10/12/18, 11:34 PM, "Friam on behalf of Nick Thompson" <[hidden email] on behalf of [hidden email]> wrote:

Ok, folks, .... the mystery continues.

Of the 12 G I freed up on my computer moving stuff to the external HD and deleting stuff AND deleting the trash AND cleaning up system files, repeatedly, all but 5 G had been replaced 24 hours later! I had done nothing on the machine in the meantime but answer email.
Are you SURE that there is no way that some program has gone berserk an is busily cloning stuff on my HD? Are there any programs that are prone to that sort of thing? Outlook? Firefox?

Just double checking.

Nick

Nicholas S. Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
Clark University
http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

-----Original Message-----
From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Marcus Daniels
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2018 9:44 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Advice on configuring computers

How about $10 a gallon gas and $2000 / month rent? I'd settle for that.

On 10/11/18, 12:14 PM, "Friam on behalf of Nick Thompson" <[hidden email] on behalf of [hidden email]> wrote:

Thanks, Barry,

But we Puritans think that currency inflation is one of the wages of sin, and if we spend less money, the world will returned to an earlier State of Grace. I still remember 25 cent gasoline on Ashby Avenue in Berkeley. That's what gasoline SHOULD cost.

Nick

Nicholas S. Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
Clark University
http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

-----Original Message-----
From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Barry MacKichan
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2018 12:36 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Advice on configuring computers

This may not be any consolation, but these “dollars” you speak of, thanks to inflation, are what we used to call in our childhood, “dimes”.

--Barry

On 10 Oct 2018, at 12:30, Nick Thompson wrote:

> I HATE to spend more than 1K for a computer. It seems a mortal
> injustice, an assault upon my mongrel puritan soul. But perhaps it's
> time to suck it up?
>

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Nick Thompson

Re: Advice on configuring computers

Hi, Roger,

Thanks for your thoughts. There appears to be less than a gig tied up in the FF cache. I have yet to look into the task manager as Marcus suggested. This morning I have been working on two long letters in email and, accessed, perhaps, half a dozen websites. During that time, I have lost almost two gigs of hard disk space.

Nick

Nicholas S. Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

Clark University

http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Roger Critchlow
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2018 1:52 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Advice on configuring computers

I'd wonder how much space you've allocated for browser caching.

-- rec --

On Sat, Oct 13, 2018 at 1:00 PM Marcus Daniels <[hidden email]> wrote:

Maybe indexing by the system or Outlook, or a large swapfile. If you suspect something is gone bezerk fire-up task manager and watch what is happening.
Indexing might asymptotically reach a maximum but had not because you had run out of space.

On 10/12/18, 11:34 PM, "Friam on behalf of Nick Thompson" <[hidden email] on behalf of [hidden email]> wrote:

Ok, folks, .... the mystery continues.

Of the 12 G I freed up on my computer moving stuff to the external HD and deleting stuff AND deleting the trash AND cleaning up system files, repeatedly, all but 5 G had been replaced 24 hours later! I had done nothing on the machine in the meantime but answer email.
Are you SURE that there is no way that some program has gone berserk an is busily cloning stuff on my HD? Are there any programs that are prone to that sort of thing? Outlook? Firefox?

Just double checking.

Nick

Nicholas S. Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
Clark University
http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

-----Original Message-----
From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Marcus Daniels
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2018 9:44 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Advice on configuring computers

How about $10 a gallon gas and $2000 / month rent? I'd settle for that.

On 10/11/18, 12:14 PM, "Friam on behalf of Nick Thompson" <[hidden email] on behalf of [hidden email]> wrote:

Thanks, Barry,

But we Puritans think that currency inflation is one of the wages of sin, and if we spend less money, the world will returned to an earlier State of Grace. I still remember 25 cent gasoline on Ashby Avenue in Berkeley. That's what gasoline SHOULD cost.

Nick

Nicholas S. Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
Clark University
http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

-----Original Message-----
From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Barry MacKichan
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2018 12:36 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Advice on configuring computers

This may not be any consolation, but these “dollars” you speak of, thanks to inflation, are what we used to call in our childhood, “dimes”.

--Barry

On 10 Oct 2018, at 12:30, Nick Thompson wrote:

> I HATE to spend more than 1K for a computer. It seems a mortal
> injustice, an assault upon my mongrel puritan soul. But perhaps it's
> time to suck it up?
>

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Nick Thompson

Re: Advice on configuring computers

In reply to this post by Tom Johnson

Hi, Tom,

I will look into this when I get my new computer.

Right now I am entranced by my disappearing hard disk space on my old one. I just went out for coffee and while I was gone another half-gig disappeared from my available hard disk space.

I assume that SETi has taken over my computer and has squirreled away martian communications in some sector unavailable to my view.

Another possibility is that something is gone crazy with the hibernation function on my machine, such that it keeps adding to the hibernation file, rather than deleting it when I “awaken” the machine?

It’s kind of inspiring. I am in the grip of something larger than myself.

Nick

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Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

Clark University

http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Tom Johnson
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2018 10:42 AM
To: Friam@redfish. com <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Advice on configuring computers

Nick:

This might be of interest

NETWORK TOOLS

SEAFILE	SCIENCE
www.seafile.com
Seafile is a cloud storage solution similar to Dropbox or Google Drive. However, unlike those services, the Seafile server is self-hosted on hardware controlled by the user. Users can interact with their files in two primary modes. In the first mode, using the Drive client, files are downloaded as needed without an initial synchronization step. Copies of files that are in use are stored locally, both for speed and to provide offline access, but users don't need to have space locally for all their cloud files. In Syncing mode, a library of files is synchronized to the local device. After the initial synchronization, only changed portions of files are sent over the network. In both modes, users may opt to enable client-side file encryption, which encrypts files prior to sending them to the server. Seafile desktop clients are available for Windows, macOS, and Linux. Mobile clients are available for Android and iOS devices. Seafile servers are available for Windows and Linux. Home users may be interested in the Raspberry Pi version. [CRH]

On Sat, Oct 13, 2018, 7:34 AM Nick Thompson <[hidden email]> wrote:

Ok, folks, .... the mystery continues.

Of the 12 G I freed up on my computer moving stuff to the external HD and deleting stuff AND deleting the trash AND cleaning up system files, repeatedly, all but 5 G had been replaced 24 hours later! I had done nothing on the machine in the meantime but answer email.
Are you SURE that there is no way that some program has gone berserk an is busily cloning stuff on my HD? Are there any programs that are prone to that sort of thing? Outlook? Firefox?

Just double checking.

Nick

Nicholas S. Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
Clark University
http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

-----Original Message-----
From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Marcus Daniels
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2018 9:44 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Advice on configuring computers

How about $10 a gallon gas and $2000 / month rent? I'd settle for that.

On 10/11/18, 12:14 PM, "Friam on behalf of Nick Thompson" <[hidden email] on behalf of [hidden email]> wrote:

Thanks, Barry,

But we Puritans think that currency inflation is one of the wages of sin, and if we spend less money, the world will returned to an earlier State of Grace. I still remember 25 cent gasoline on Ashby Avenue in Berkeley. That's what gasoline SHOULD cost.

Nick

Nicholas S. Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
Clark University
http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

-----Original Message-----
From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Barry MacKichan
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2018 12:36 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Advice on configuring computers

This may not be any consolation, but these “dollars” you speak of, thanks to inflation, are what we used to call in our childhood, “dimes”.

--Barry

On 10 Oct 2018, at 12:30, Nick Thompson wrote:

> I HATE to spend more than 1K for a computer. It seems a mortal
> injustice, an assault upon my mongrel puritan soul. But perhaps it's
> time to suck it up?
>

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Barry MacKichan

Re: Advice on configuring computers

In reply to this post by Nick Thompson

On my Mac, I have three categories of space on my drive: used, free, and purgeable. I think Windows may be similar. The response to seeing an apparently empty continent is to occupy it. Same here.

A definition of purgeable space, pulled from a help file, is:

What Is Purgeable Space

When you check how much available disk space you have on your Mac, you’ll find that there’s a chunk of space that is not literally **free, but is nevertheless **available to applications. In macOS, it’s called “purgeable space”.

The purgeable space mostly consists of local snapshots of Time Machine, and also caches, sleep images, swap files and other temporary system files.

When an application requests more disk space than is currently free, the system automatically and instantly reclaims the corresponding amount from the purgeable space.

Or else, when there is no deficit of free space, macOS allows the purgeable space to pile up to as much as 80% of disk’s capacity, by design.

--Barry

Gillian Densmore

Re: Advice on configuring computers

In reply to this post by Roger Critchlow-2

And or Tempfiles and what ever windows calls swap. And that's assuming it does. I simply don't know.

On Sat, Oct 13, 2018 at 1:52 PM Roger Critchlow <[hidden email]> wrote:

I'd wonder how much space you've allocated for browser caching.

-- rec --

On Sat, Oct 13, 2018 at 1:00 PM Marcus Daniels <[hidden email]> wrote:
Maybe indexing by the system or Outlook, or a large swapfile. If you suspect something is gone bezerk fire-up task manager and watch what is happening.
Indexing might asymptotically reach a maximum but had not because you had run out of space.

On 10/12/18, 11:34 PM, "Friam on behalf of Nick Thompson" <[hidden email] on behalf of [hidden email]> wrote:

Ok, folks, .... the mystery continues.

Of the 12 G I freed up on my computer moving stuff to the external HD and deleting stuff AND deleting the trash AND cleaning up system files, repeatedly, all but 5 G had been replaced 24 hours later! I had done nothing on the machine in the meantime but answer email.
Are you SURE that there is no way that some program has gone berserk an is busily cloning stuff on my HD? Are there any programs that are prone to that sort of thing? Outlook? Firefox?

Just double checking.

Nick

Nicholas S. Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
Clark University
http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

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From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Marcus Daniels
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2018 9:44 PM
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Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Advice on configuring computers

How about $10 a gallon gas and $2000 / month rent? I'd settle for that.

On 10/11/18, 12:14 PM, "Friam on behalf of Nick Thompson" <[hidden email] on behalf of [hidden email]> wrote:

Thanks, Barry,

But we Puritans think that currency inflation is one of the wages of sin, and if we spend less money, the world will returned to an earlier State of Grace. I still remember 25 cent gasoline on Ashby Avenue in Berkeley. That's what gasoline SHOULD cost.

Nick

Nicholas S. Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
Clark University
http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

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From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Barry MacKichan
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2018 12:36 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Advice on configuring computers

This may not be any consolation, but these “dollars” you speak of, thanks to inflation, are what we used to call in our childhood, “dimes”.

--Barry

On 10 Oct 2018, at 12:30, Nick Thompson wrote:

> I HATE to spend more than 1K for a computer. It seems a mortal
> injustice, an assault upon my mongrel puritan soul. But perhaps it's
> time to suck it up?
>

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Gillian Densmore

Re: Advice on configuring computers

In reply to this post by Nick Thompson

Nick. As to backing up the current drive. Do as others sugest. And not as this slacker did. Cloud as well as a plain regular USB hard drive. HdClone https://www.miray.de/products/sat.hdclone.html worked fine for me to do that FWIW..

On Sat, Oct 13, 2018 at 6:20 PM Nick Thompson <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi, Tom,
I will look into this when I get my new computer.

Right now I am entranced by my disappearing hard disk space on my old one. I just went out for coffee and while I was gone another half-gig disappeared from my available hard disk space.
I assume that SETi has taken over my computer and has squirreled away martian communications in some sector unavailable to my view.

Another possibility is that something is gone crazy with the hibernation function on my machine, such that it keeps adding to the hibernation file, rather than deleting it when I “awaken” the machine?

It’s kind of inspiring. I am in the grip of something larger than myself.

Nick

Nicholas S. Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
Clark University
http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Tom Johnson
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2018 10:42 AM
To: Friam@redfish. com <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Advice on configuring computers

Nick:
This might be of interest

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Seafile is a cloud storage solution similar to Dropbox or Google Drive. However, unlike those services, the Seafile server is self-hosted on hardware controlled by the user. Users can interact with their files in two primary modes. In the first mode, using the Drive client, files are downloaded as needed without an initial synchronization step. Copies of files that are in use are stored locally, both for speed and to provide offline access, but users don't need to have space locally for all their cloud files. In Syncing mode, a library of files is synchronized to the local device. After the initial synchronization, only changed portions of files are sent over the network. In both modes, users may opt to enable client-side file encryption, which encrypts files prior to sending them to the server. Seafile desktop clients are available for Windows, macOS, and Linux. Mobile clients are available for Android and iOS devices. Seafile servers are available for Windows and Linux. Home users may be interested in the Raspberry Pi version. [CRH]

On Sat, Oct 13, 2018, 7:34 AM Nick Thompson <[hidden email]> wrote:
Ok, folks, .... the mystery continues.

Of the 12 G I freed up on my computer moving stuff to the external HD and deleting stuff AND deleting the trash AND cleaning up system files, repeatedly, all but 5 G had been replaced 24 hours later! I had done nothing on the machine in the meantime but answer email.
Are you SURE that there is no way that some program has gone berserk an is busily cloning stuff on my HD? Are there any programs that are prone to that sort of thing? Outlook? Firefox?

Just double checking.

Nick

Nicholas S. Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
Clark University
http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

-----Original Message-----
From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Marcus Daniels
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2018 9:44 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Advice on configuring computers

How about $10 a gallon gas and $2000 / month rent? I'd settle for that.

On 10/11/18, 12:14 PM, "Friam on behalf of Nick Thompson" <[hidden email] on behalf of [hidden email]> wrote:

Thanks, Barry,

But we Puritans think that currency inflation is one of the wages of sin, and if we spend less money, the world will returned to an earlier State of Grace. I still remember 25 cent gasoline on Ashby Avenue in Berkeley. That's what gasoline SHOULD cost.

Nick

Nicholas S. Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
Clark University
http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

-----Original Message-----
From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Barry MacKichan
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2018 12:36 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Advice on configuring computers

This may not be any consolation, but these “dollars” you speak of, thanks to inflation, are what we used to call in our childhood, “dimes”.

--Barry

On 10 Oct 2018, at 12:30, Nick Thompson wrote:

> I HATE to spend more than 1K for a computer. It seems a mortal
> injustice, an assault upon my mongrel puritan soul. But perhaps it's
> time to suck it up?
>

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Owen Densmore

Re: Advice on configuring computers

Administrator

I'd recommend using a program that tells you where all the storage goes to.

My OS has a simple facility that tells me I have 75GB left out of 250GB SSD drive on my laptop. That's OK but prompts me to run a finer grain program that tells me what my folder hierarchies contain. It good in that it tells me the total storage of each top-most folder, then dives into each of them, recursively telling how much each of the second, third, etc level folder contains.

Doing this is constantly surprising! For example, I found that my photos and music were well over 10GB. And that my programming libraries (./node-modules) were absolutely out of control. And many apps and system tools have huge "caches" of files.

My solution is to use DropBox, a cloud storage and sync (sync == keep the files synchronized over my various computers, tablets and phone). Syncing can actually cause a huge *increase* in storage, but DB has a simple setting that tells it to just use the cloud version, thus turning into a fairly easily managed system.

DB also lets me share files with others easily, so for example I can share a model/simulation I'm working on with others. Github also solves this sort of storage but I think isn't germane here. Google Docs might, however.

So I developed a simple approach to DB: any keystroke I make ends up there: i.e. all docs I create is on DB. Photos, no .. I take the pictures but don't edit them .. i.e. add/subtract bits, thus they do not fall under the DB range, just backup.

DB isn't cheap .. it starts out free for up to 6 GB but its first paid level is $100/year for 1TB. And it hasn't got all the features I need. But so far is the best for me.

I find that my cog load for my own docs is around 20GB so am happy with cloud storage for all the rest. And actually, a lot of my cloud storage is a form of backup.

Do you have a similar situation? I realize storage is "domain specific".

-- Owen

Owen Densmore

Re: Advice on configuring computers

Administrator

Oh, forgot: one of the "surprises" had to do with email. Even tho I use gmail, which keeps all the email in the cloud, the mail *clients* (apps that interface with the email on the server) often store a huge amount of my email in a local "cache". We're talking 10s of GBs.

Try running one of these storage hierarchy apps and let us know what you find.

On Sun, Nov 4, 2018 at 10:19 AM Owen Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:

I'd recommend using a program that tells you where all the storage goes to.

My OS has a simple facility that tells me I have 75GB left out of 250GB SSD drive on my laptop. That's OK but prompts me to run a finer grain program that tells me what my folder hierarchies contain. It good in that it tells me the total storage of each top-most folder, then dives into each of them, recursively telling how much each of the second, third, etc level folder contains.

Doing this is constantly surprising! For example, I found that my photos and music were well over 10GB. And that my programming libraries (./node-modules) were absolutely out of control. And many apps and system tools have huge "caches" of files.

My solution is to use DropBox, a cloud storage and sync (sync == keep the files synchronized over my various computers, tablets and phone). Syncing can actually cause a huge *increase* in storage, but DB has a simple setting that tells it to just use the cloud version, thus turning into a fairly easily managed system.

DB also lets me share files with others easily, so for example I can share a model/simulation I'm working on with others. Github also solves this sort of storage but I think isn't germane here. Google Docs might, however.

So I developed a simple approach to DB: any keystroke I make ends up there: i.e. all docs I create is on DB. Photos, no .. I take the pictures but don't edit them .. i.e. add/subtract bits, thus they do not fall under the DB range, just backup.

DB isn't cheap .. it starts out free for up to 6 GB but its first paid level is $100/year for 1TB. And it hasn't got all the features I need. But so far is the best for me.

I find that my cog load for my own docs is around 20GB so am happy with cloud storage for all the rest. And actually, a lot of my cloud storage is a form of backup.

Do you have a similar situation? I realize storage is "domain specific".

-- Owen

Owen Densmore

Re: Advice on configuring computers

Administrator

(I gotta stop, I'm on a roll here. but...)

Here's an example of the hierarchical storage on my laptop:

The top level lets me know that "Users" is where to look. On unix systems that is the set of user accounts, which in this case has only me but often has temporary accounts I create for hacking in a "clean" environment. OK so yup, I'm it. So diving in, I see over 85GB (Music, Movies, Pictures) are better kept in the cloud and I should "empty the trash) getting me over 95GB. Wow!

I only have around 7GB on Dropbox .. i.e. code and docs I create. Here is where Github does have some impact, I can kill off all those repositories and simply depend on Github for archival storage.

This does ping my brain on one issue: document storage other than mine: ebooks, talks, tutorials etc. Last time I did this I found 10GB or so of these, to my surprise, so I shuffled them off to archival storage, keeping only active ones available.

-- Owen

On Sun, Nov 4, 2018 at 10:24 AM Owen Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:

Oh, forgot: one of the "surprises" had to do with email. Even tho I use gmail, which keeps all the email in the cloud, the mail *clients* (apps that interface with the email on the server) often store a huge amount of my email in a local "cache". We're talking 10s of GBs.

Try running one of these storage hierarchy apps and let us know what you find.

On Sun, Nov 4, 2018 at 10:19 AM Owen Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:
I'd recommend using a program that tells you where all the storage goes to.

My OS has a simple facility that tells me I have 75GB left out of 250GB SSD drive on my laptop. That's OK but prompts me to run a finer grain program that tells me what my folder hierarchies contain. It good in that it tells me the total storage of each top-most folder, then dives into each of them, recursively telling how much each of the second, third, etc level folder contains.

Doing this is constantly surprising! For example, I found that my photos and music were well over 10GB. And that my programming libraries (./node-modules) were absolutely out of control. And many apps and system tools have huge "caches" of files.

My solution is to use DropBox, a cloud storage and sync (sync == keep the files synchronized over my various computers, tablets and phone). Syncing can actually cause a huge *increase* in storage, but DB has a simple setting that tells it to just use the cloud version, thus turning into a fairly easily managed system.

DB also lets me share files with others easily, so for example I can share a model/simulation I'm working on with others. Github also solves this sort of storage but I think isn't germane here. Google Docs might, however.

So I developed a simple approach to DB: any keystroke I make ends up there: i.e. all docs I create is on DB. Photos, no .. I take the pictures but don't edit them .. i.e. add/subtract bits, thus they do not fall under the DB range, just backup.

DB isn't cheap .. it starts out free for up to 6 GB but its first paid level is $100/year for 1TB. And it hasn't got all the features I need. But so far is the best for me.

I find that my cog load for my own docs is around 20GB so am happy with cloud storage for all the rest. And actually, a lot of my cloud storage is a form of backup.

Do you have a similar situation? I realize storage is "domain specific".

-- Owen

Gary Schiltz-4

Re: Advice on configuring computers

Owen, what program is it that you use to give that nice hierarchical display of used space?

On Nov 4, 2018, at 12:42 PM, Owen Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:

(I gotta stop, I'm on a roll here. but...)

Here's an example of the hierarchical storage on my laptop:
<Snap.11.04.18-10.28.17.jpg>

The top level lets me know that "Users" is where to look. On unix systems that is the set of user accounts, which in this case has only me but often has temporary accounts I create for hacking in a "clean" environment. OK so yup, I'm it. So diving in, I see over 85GB (Music, Movies, Pictures) are better kept in the cloud and I should "empty the trash) getting me over 95GB. Wow!

I only have around 7GB on Dropbox .. i.e. code and docs I create. Here is where Github does have some impact, I can kill off all those repositories and simply depend on Github for archival storage.

This does ping my brain on one issue: document storage other than mine: ebooks, talks, tutorials etc. Last time I did this I found 10GB or so of these, to my surprise, so I shuffled them off to archival storage, keeping only active ones available.

-- Owen

On Sun, Nov 4, 2018 at 10:24 AM Owen Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:
Oh, forgot: one of the "surprises" had to do with email. Even tho I use gmail, which keeps all the email in the cloud, the mail *clients* (apps that interface with the email on the server) often store a huge amount of my email in a local "cache". We're talking 10s of GBs.

Try running one of these storage hierarchy apps and let us know what you find.

On Sun, Nov 4, 2018 at 10:19 AM Owen Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:
I'd recommend using a program that tells you where all the storage goes to.

My OS has a simple facility that tells me I have 75GB left out of 250GB SSD drive on my laptop. That's OK but prompts me to run a finer grain program that tells me what my folder hierarchies contain. It good in that it tells me the total storage of each top-most folder, then dives into each of them, recursively telling how much each of the second, third, etc level folder contains.

Doing this is constantly surprising! For example, I found that my photos and music were well over 10GB. And that my programming libraries (./node-modules) were absolutely out of control. And many apps and system tools have huge "caches" of files.

My solution is to use DropBox, a cloud storage and sync (sync == keep the files synchronized over my various computers, tablets and phone). Syncing can actually cause a huge *increase* in storage, but DB has a simple setting that tells it to just use the cloud version, thus turning into a fairly easily managed system.

DB also lets me share files with others easily, so for example I can share a model/simulation I'm working on with others. Github also solves this sort of storage but I think isn't germane here. Google Docs might, however.

So I developed a simple approach to DB: any keystroke I make ends up there: i.e. all docs I create is on DB. Photos, no .. I take the pictures but don't edit them .. i.e. add/subtract bits, thus they do not fall under the DB range, just backup.

DB isn't cheap .. it starts out free for up to 6 GB but its first paid level is $100/year for 1TB. And it hasn't got all the features I need. But so far is the best for me.

I find that my cog load for my own docs is around 20GB so am happy with cloud storage for all the rest. And actually, a lot of my cloud storage is a form of backup.

Do you have a similar situation? I realize storage is "domain specific".

-- Owen

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Owen Densmore

Re: Advice on configuring computers

Administrator

On Sun, Nov 4, 2018 at 5:25 PM Gary Schiltz <[hidden email]> wrote:

Owen, what program is it that you use to give that nice hierarchical display of used space?

OmniDiskSweeper