truths as model correspondences and ground truths

[jon zingale]

Joscha Bach muses on the Lex Fridman podcast:
"For something to exist, it probably needs to be implementable. The only
thing that can be implemented is finite automata and so maybe the all of
existence is a superposition of finite automata, and we are in some region
of the fractal that has the properties that it can contain us."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-2P3MSZrBM



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[Frank Wimberly-2]

Reminds me of Tegmark's wondering if the Universe is a simulation.

On Tue, Sep 22, 2020, 9:32 AM jon zingale <[hidden email]> wrote:

Joscha Bach muses on the Lex Fridman podcast:
"For something to exist, it probably needs to be implementable. The only
thing that can be implemented is finite automata and so maybe the all of
existence is a superposition of finite automata, and we are in some region
of the fractal that has the properties that it can contain us."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-2P3MSZrBM



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[jon zingale]

On the Dalai Lama:
"...he identifies as a form of government. So basically the Dalai Lama gets
reborn, not because he's confused but because he is not identifying as a
human being. He runs on a human being. He is basically a governmental
software that is instantiated in every new generation. So his advisors will
pick someone who does this in the next generation..."

Really, there are a bunch of fun ideas. Maybe I will post more as I listen
on. At one point he seems to address dualism and then identifies as a kind
of monist. He talks about spirals in the mandelbrot set as epiphenomena,
etc...



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[Steve Smith]

Jon -

Good post/link!

I'm about 1/3 of the way in, and besides trying to listen carefully to
the German Accent and ignoring the well-groomed door-to-door missionary
look of this pair, I was VERY impressed across the board.  I find the
Computer/Information Science idiom to be a little "off" but probably as
good as it gets... it feels like equal parts "traditional western
philosophy", "western apprehensions of eastern philosophy", physics, and
computer/information science which makes for a rich (and in this case
fairly coherent, if densely packed and sometimes obscure) mix.

I'm glad I took the time to let this one get past my impatiences and
filters.

- Steve

On 9/22/20 10:30 AM, jon zingale wrote:

> On the Dalai Lama:
> "...he identifies as a form of government. So basically the Dalai Lama gets
> reborn, not because he's confused but because he is not identifying as a
> human being. He runs on a human being. He is basically a governmental
> software that is instantiated in every new generation. So his advisors will
> pick someone who does this in the next generation..."
>
> Really, there are a bunch of fun ideas. Maybe I will post more as I listen
> on. At one point he seems to address dualism and then identifies as a kind
> of monist. He talks about spirals in the mandelbrot set as epiphenomena,
> etc...
>
>
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[jon zingale]

"I think of the concepts as the address space for our behavior programs, and
the behavior programs allow us to recognize objects and interact with them,
also mental objects."

I am glad you are also enjoying this!



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[jon zingale]

last one for now:

"If you look for the meaning of life, you look at what a cell is. The life
is the cell... It's this self-organizing thing that can participate in
evolution. In order to make it work it's a molecular machine. It needs a
self-replicator, an entropy extractor, and a Turing machine. If any of these
parts is missing then you don't have a cell and it is not living. Life is
basically the emerging complexity over that principle."



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