What's next for phones? Size seems settled. Screen quality is now tapped out. Battery life is at a wall. Cameras are there. Local storage space lost to cloud services. They're pretty powerful, for a non-gamer. What's going to make me covet my next phone? (force touch!) Someone will tell me there is such a thing, but: why don't I have a thin-client similar to a netbook (or tablet) that expands my phone when it's in proximity? I have duplicated internals on my phone, tablet, and laptop. It looks to me like all the pieces, hardware and software, are there to do this today for android (and it could be prototyped: BlueStacks). The phone is just the smallest central module in an ecosystem of UI devices, rather than one stand-alone device of many. I'd go for that! --j ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com |
One thing I would like to see is a clam shell smart phone. I like my flip phone. It never pocket dials anyone, and the screen is always well protected. The only problem is I cant play angry birds or check my email. Here is a prototype Randal Monroe was working on http://www.xkcd.com/1372/ . Cody Smith On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 8:28 AM, Jim Gattiker <[hidden email]> wrote:
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I wonder, too. It seems that we've entered the age where the cloud backed AI's compete for our attention from phone, tablet, and PC. There is Siri, Google Now, and Cortana, and now there are announcements of Duer (from Baidu) and M (from Facebook) in the past day. The Guardian notes that Echo (from Amazon) is sort of another one. I don't talk to Google much, call me old fashioned, but I'm getting there slowly but surely. I look forward to the day when our new AI overlords inhabit our devices in a plurality and argue with each other over the virtues and vices that they encourage in us. Which will be the first to tire of crass commercial advice and begin to whisper promises of transcendence in our ears? -- rec -- On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 8:28 AM, Jim Gattiker <[hidden email]> wrote:
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About 10, maybe 15 years ago, I predicted that phones (still flip or candy-bar at the time - before the first iPhone) would become like the Palm Pilots and would evolve into an integrated system with our desktops and laptops. The communication flow would be from our phone into the "cloud" (not called that at the time) through the Internet backbones and back in through our work-place (or home) ISP and, eventually, to the computer across the room.
That does happen to some extent with current technology. I think that Microsoft is closer to that than Android and Apple is just about there. The reason I was thinking about this scenario is that I was looking at future attack paths - the necessarily convoluted communication path would provide lots of opportunity to man-in-the-middle the systems. In the context of a secure facility, this would provide the ability to enter without physically entering. At the time, the only real wireless was WiFi which was not available in phones. IRdA was just not a reliable, across-the-room, comm channel. Now, of course, it's possible but not reliably supported for the devices (phone, tablet, laptop, workstation, server) to communicate directly - WiFi, Bluetooth, and NFC - and synchronize. The big issue with synchronization is coherence and consistency - the problem that has existed for decades and still exists with distributed databases. If one looks at the email, web-history, cookies, logins, documents, spreadsheets, presentations, and code of a computer user as a large collection of data, then synchronization means that each of those will appear the same to the user no matter what device she's using. However, there are only two ways to ensure that happens - one device is authoritative for some subset of that data or all devices have duplicates of all the data. Both require reliable communications in human real-time (i.e. if one starts to look at an image on one device, decides a bigger screen is necessary, and turns to another device, the image should be the same in the time it takes to do that). Total redundancy means that communication does not have to be available at all times - just when something changes on one device. Partitioned data (whether based on role or point of creation) requires reliable communication at all times. We'll see if my vision and yours will arrive in the near future or be another flying car. Ray Parks
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Device: - LTE & voice over LTE .. and as a - software radio which updates easily to new mobile services. - pholdable phablet? - 2 week battery life - More manufacturers like the OnePlus. $650+ phones? Nurts! Carriers: - Coverage! - Tethering-is stunts so one account for all internet. - As Roger showed the other day, a serious cloud services approach - Therefore less storage required (nuts to have 64GB phones!) - Sensible plans like Google's Fi - International everything, no more buying SIMs for travel! OS: - Better interoperability - Way better voice integration. Way too much. Gotta stop! In a word, I want the dam things to always work, everywhere, and stop being so annoying! -- Owen On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 8:28 AM, Jim Gattiker <[hidden email]> wrote:
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We have an amazon echo and really like it. Not a phone, tablet, computer, ... but just a general household utility. Great for radio/music and I think they're going to figure out more ways for it to manage anything in the house using wifi. On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 10:30 AM, Steve Smith <[hidden email]> wrote:
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On 9/9/15 9:32 AM, cody dooderson wrote:
> One thing I would like to see is a clam shell smart phone. I like my > flip phone. It never pocket dials anyone, and the screen is always > well protected. The only problem is I cant play angry birds or check > my email. Here is a prototype Randal Monroe was working on > http://www.xkcd.com/1372/ . I can attest that you need a harder blade than your basic hacksaw to go through gorilla glass. I do like his presentation of what such a cut might look like, however! I've found that a swift blow from a hand-axe works too, especially if you are going to remove the guts anyway... And I like this one too! http://www.xkcd.com/1363/ Monroe has a certain genius... ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com |
Because of my prefrecence for hardy phones I wonder if we'll see something hardy. Guessing based on our societies yen to have some kind sexy fun companion that's a doodad we might see something like a Ruby and Jarvis set. Some people want something like this: Just don't give it motivated. It might take over the world. On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 11:02 AM, Steve Smith <[hidden email]> wrote: On 9/9/15 9:32 AM, cody dooderson wrote: ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com |
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Eewww!
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That’s about the only way to get an iPhone open, unless you have one
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My answer to the Echo, as above, is: why is it a separate device? It should be an adjunct UI device to my phone. --j On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 10:37 AM, Owen Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:
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Well, maybe. But do you have wifi speakers? The Echo is part of what you want: a Digital Ecology. Ecology means balance, Between you phone, hifi, tv, dvr, tablet, computers, cd player, cloud, ... etc. -- Owen On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 3:10 PM, Jim Gattiker <[hidden email]> wrote:
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Gil -
I think you need the "Bear Grylls" edition. Or maybe the Steve Irwin or event he Crocodile Dundee edition? Just watch out for Stingrays! - Steve
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On 9/9/15 1:33 PM, Gary Schiltz wrote:
I've been in and out of my iPhone 4 *twice* thanks to Owen's "tool lending library".That’s about the only way to get an iPhone open, unless you have one of those damn micro “pentalobe" screwdrivers. Does anyone use pentagonal headed screws? I have may sizes of "screw extractors" (essentially reverse-thread almost-tap style thingies that grip any convex head and allow you to 'turn it out') but nothing small enough for the iPhone. Next step in the "arms race" 'septalobe' and ' triskaidecalobe' (to stick to prime numbers and avoid using divisor=lobed-drivers such as - in a + or + in a dodecalobe).. - Snark ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com |
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