Re: New ways of understanding the world

Posted by Frank Wimberly-2 on Nov 30, 2020; 10:12pm
URL: http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/New-ways-of-understanding-the-world-tp7599664p7599671.html

Hmm.  Every third number in this apparently random sequence is even.  Order?  What's order? Nonrandomness?

On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 2:25 PM <[hidden email]> wrote:

All,

 

I feel like this relates to a discussion held during Nerd Hour at the end of last Friday’s vfriam.  I was arguing  that given, say, a string of numbers, and no information external to that string, that no AI could detect “order” unless it already possessed a theory of what order is.  I found the discussion distressing because I thought the point was trivial but all the smart people in the conversation were arguing against me.

 

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Nicholas Thompson

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Clark University

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From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Jochen Fromm
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2020 3:15 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] New ways of understanding the world

 

The success of Google's deep learning program in predicting protein folding is impressive. Maybe that is what he meant.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-03348-4

 

-J.

 

 

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From: Steve Smith <[hidden email]>

Date: 11/30/20 21:55 (GMT+01:00)

To: [hidden email]

Subject: Re: [FRIAM] New ways of understanding the world

 

Or a "model of nothing fit to everything we know: useful or merely wrong?"

On 11/30/20 1:41 PM, Jochen Fromm wrote:

Chris Anderson, the editor in chief of Wired, asks if a computer can find a theory of everything merely by learning from data. Unfortunately most deep learning models are like a black box which delivers good results but is hard to understand. Would a theory of everything be a theory of nothing? It reminds me of Russell Standish's book "theory of nothing".

https://www.wired.com/2008/06/pb-theory/

 

-J.

 

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