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Re: Trump as a victim

Posted by Steve Smith on Oct 07, 2020; 4:24pm
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Nick -

I agree that empathy is a bit spontaneous and emergent for me.   But I *can* cultivate or subdue it somewhat.   This is one of the roles of my *morbid fascination*, which is to *allow* me to cultivate empathy were my first impulse is revulsion or vengeance. 

Your image of Trump on Trial *does* trigger memories of the way Saddam Hussein was pictured at HIS trials.

I fear this is not that likely to ever emerge, I don't think we have the moral courage as a country to face our own rotten parts...  I could be wrong, and I want to hope we can face our own (deep) failures in some way similar to what Rwanda and/or South Africa and even Post WWII Germany was forced to (by circumstance?) after their darkest years.   I don't know that we have sunk low enough yet TO be forced into that.   And my instincts make it really hard for me to root for the kinds of disasters I think Dave and Marcus both flirt with (though I understand that kind of collapse may be the most efficient path to any kind of sweeping (and deep) recovery).

I was raised on the movie version of "Lobo" (shown in my classroom every year of elementary school?) rather than "the Terror of Corrumpaw" original.   I think that version Lobo was a more empathetic character, because Disney?  I didn't know until I looked it up that the movie *was* derived/inspired by Seton's version.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Legend_of_Lobo

- Steve

Glen,

 

I don't think of empathy as something that you gin up; it either happens to you, or it doesn't.  And then you decide what you want to do with your empathy.  As a child, perhaps,, did you ever read any of Ernest Thompson Seton's (no relative) Lives of the Hunted?  The wolf, terror of the Corrumpaw (?), wily killer of sheep, evader of traps, lies before you in a cage, wounded and helpless.  You feel empathy.  And so you kill it.  Anybody who tells you that you should feel empathy lacks empathy for your lack of empathy.  I WILL feel empathy for Trump when he's tried.   I dread those trials.  In fact, even watching him twist and lie and twist and lie, watching him contort, makes me queasy inside, like  watching a man tortured.  But empathy, like rage, is just another emotion, and needs, like all emotions, to be tempered with reason. 

 

Nick

 

Nicholas Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology

Clark University

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https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/

 

 

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A collection of people, who shall remain nameless, recently tried to shame me for objecting to their waste of empathy for poor lil ol Trump, in light of his infection. One argument went something like "His father was horrible." One primary argument went something like "empathy begets empathy". Empathy is not zero-sum. Etc.

 

I started my objection to all this Trump-as-a-victim talk by listing several aspects of his CHARMED LIFE, like the fact that he's lucky enough to have lived to a ripe old age (when so many of us die young), he was born wealthy (when so many of us live our entire lives dirt poor), his stupid TV show was wildly successful (when so many of us are serial failures), his weaponized litigousness has benefited him throughout his life (when so many of us can't even afford a lawyer). Etc.

 

All that *privilege* has been bestowed upon him. And it seems, to me, he's squandered it all. He reminds me of those pitiful pictures of Saddam Hussein in court and then prison and then dead. Oh boo-hoo, poor little dictator being mistreated. Such sentiments are not merely weird to me. If game theory and the success of simplistic tit-for-tat has taught us anything, it is that the algorithmic *depth* required to beat straightforward (poetic) "justice" is academically interesting, but pragmatically degenerate.

 

So, no. I will not waste any of my finite lifetime feeling sorry for poor lil ol Trump, our Privilege Squanderer in Chief. If that magically limits my ability to empathize in some other context, so be it. If it implies that when I die pathetically, under some bridge, eating partial hamburgers from the Wendy's dumpster, my colleagues *rightly* avoid wasting their finite lifetimes feeling sorry for me, then I'm ready for that day. Like it or not, tu quoque is a fallacy.

 

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