Re: why some people hate cops
Posted by
Steve Smith on
Sep 24, 2020; 11:47pm
URL: http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/why-some-people-hate-cops-tp7598819p7598838.html
Nick sez-
Well, I hate people who hate.
I am intolerant only of the intolerant and I have nothing to hate
but hate itself!
Hating something, particularly any category
as broad as “religious people”, is like putting your own eyes
out and blaming the darkness.
I was confronted some time back with the "idea" that liberals were
self-loathing... which put me off some, and while I am not exactly
liberal, or even progressive I am more sympathetic and aligned with
those who self-identify as such than, for example, their converse
(kka Conservatives?). I've slowly come to an ideation about this
which is that there is something in common between having a
liberal/progressive/empathic? view of the world and being (at least
somewhat) self-questioning which (as Nick illustrates) can spiral
into something *like* self-loathing (at least from the outside). I
think this is one of the primary mechanisms that
"whomever-fits-the-shoe" use to "own liberals" as they so proudly
proclaim... if they can twist someone into
questioning/resenting/nay...*hating* themselves at any level, then
they feel like they "gotcha!".
I hate myself when I hate. But I think the
hatred described here is mostly rhetorical.
I took Marcus statement to be primarily hyperbolic with a dash of
rhetoric... or vice-versa? I also took Stephen's strong
statement against it as a primarily rhetorical mode of bringing
focus to the topic I think he really wants to talk about... which
I can't define myself, but has something to do with trying to
understand "the Sacred", using the language/perspective of
Science. Not making Science into a Religion (as Dave might think
we do here) nor *explaining* or *proving* the existence of
God/Heaven/Grace, etc. with Science, but acknowledging a common
(possibly exhaustively persuasive) sense that humans (conscious
beings?) have of there being things which are transcendent, or
sacred or somehow within our apprehension but beyond our
articulation? Science is "designed" to chip away at the
mysteries... pin them down and define them, and chip away at their
edges, and occasionally do broad sweeps to clear away the debris
from that, but does not truly pretend to sweep all questions away
for all times, or even be able to, though Russell/Whitehead
thought they had done that with Mathematics until Kurt Godel came
along and swept *that* misapprehension away!
There is a way of talking on FRIAM that
involves using hyperbole with a wink, and, given that 80
percent of Americans are more or less religious, I think this
is an example. It’s almost equivalent to saying, “I hate
people,” which I can complete understand, but wouldn’t admit
to out loud. Actually, I don’t think there are a lot of
haters in this group.
‘
I think we are at our best as a group when
we talk about things we (1) care about, (2) on which we have
some [expert?} experience to bring to bear, and on which our
minds are at least slightly ajar. I do wish complexity
would rear its ugly head more often in our discussions, but I
would guess we have drifted away from it both in caring and in
knowledge, so, if we tried to get a discussion going, it would
be like burping up last night’s Famiglia Cribari. µ
Nick
µ For those of you who are under 80,
Famiglia Cribari was the graduate student wine of choice in
the 60’s. You bought it in jugs. If you brought a whole
jug to a pot luck, you were forgiven for not bringing any
food.
Ah... the Boone's Farm or Mad Dog 20/20 of Boomers and perhaps
Xr's alike? Or for the hipsters, maybe just a 12 of PBR...
- Steve
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