Re: Abducktion

Posted by Merle Lefkoff-2 on Aug 07, 2020; 3:33pm
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I'm in Seattle hugging my 10th grader and worried about inept educational programs as the new school year begins.  Very little creative thinking on the part of public school bureaucracies.  Lucky for Seattle students, the citizen-elected school board is resisting the "expert" educators.  

https://www.seattletimes.com/education-lab/with-one-week-to-decide-fall-remote-learning-plans-seattle-school-board-members-criticize-district-proposal-and-push-for-outdoor-option/

On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 8:26 AM Prof David West <[hidden email]> wrote:

Long time ago, as part of my cognitive anthropology studies, i had a lot of data about relationships among natural languages and programming languages (e.g. Native Hindi speakers learned Prolog, Pascal and SQL much faster than native English speakers) and between/among programming languages (e.g. C programmers took much longer to learn Smalltalk than COBOL programmers — and relational database experts seldom gained even minimal proficiency in Smalltalk).

There is also a lot of data that correlates problem solving / design conceptualization with 'expressiveness' of a programming language — e.g. C programmers cannot write business application programs; too much translation between domain concepts and C grammatical constructs. Functional programmers are equally inept.

The biggest single reason that OO never worked, is that programming profeciency/expertise in Java and C++ preclude your ability to think and design in objects.

davew

On Fri, Aug 7, 2020, at 9:00 AM, Barry MacKichan wrote:

Very much so. We hired a grad student a long time ago (he stayed with us until he retired). He wrote great Pascal programs. He wrote great Pascal programs in C++, and in JavaScript. The effect of your first programming language on style, idioms, and your feelings about recursion and encapsulation.

—Barry

On 6 Aug 2020, at 23:24, [hidden email] wrote:

Nah.  He means more than that.  Even ordinary languages predispose users to one kind of discourse or another.  I assume that programming languages do the same. 

 

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