Re: Ranked Choice Voting app

Posted by Gillian Densmore on
URL: http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/Ranked-Choice-Voting-app-tp7595666p7597347.html

AAAAH!. Ok I think I understand where you are coming from.  ^_^ When I get back from adulting (Joke: Am an adult? since when?)I'll watch. It my hunches are that the candidates that run and get picked for what ever position We don't get much diversity for pet projects. And that their is a lot of finger pointing.  Media  distortions from little things like zooming in on crowds to make them look larger then they are, to bigger things, like focusing more on particular candidates isn't helping.

And yeah having two more or less stuck platforms might also be a part of that mess. 

Right now we had 3 very different candidates. But then vermot and one of the other states basically held their votes without even offering mail in votes. Much less something online. And we see what that lead to.

I didn't know Australia let you vote for more than 1 person. Isn't santa fe supposed to have that? 

On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 9:24 AM cody dooderson <[hidden email]> wrote:

The point is that the problem with our voting system is very subtle. It is too easily manipulatable even if every vote is counted. 

Cody Smith

On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 8:57 AM Gillian Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:

I don't think we need fancy schmancy models to see what's going on now is a mess.  

On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 8:36 AM cody dooderson <[hidden email]> wrote:

I recently learned that Australia has used ranked choice voting for over one hundred years, so there is some good real world data on it. It was implemented by conservatives in the early 20th century, which surprised me.

It was referenced in this talk https://youtu.be/uuXNbKglM5Q on voting systems, and how wackadoodles can win in plurality voting schemes. 

On Mon, May 4, 2020, 8:26 PM Gary Schiltz <[hidden email]> wrote:

Whatever voting technology is chosen, it needs to be open source, both software and hardware. 

On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 8:52 PM Jon Zingale <[hidden email]> wrote:

Cody,

I'm inspired to contribute some thoughts to yours.  I feel that

whatever fix is imagined for voting, we should be prepared to

adopt it for a long time. The process of testing out new voting

schemes may take a few administrative cycles and may become

vulnerable to manipulation or degradation as the concrete dries.

I can see value in putting time limits on the experiment and taking

measures to protect this experiment from tampering by any given

administration. Precedence set by changing something as foundational

as voting demands careful thought. If voting systems be allowed to

change with fashion there will be vulnerabilities introduced, perhaps 

similar or worse than the exploitations we are seeing in almost every

other aspect of government. To be fair, the present voting scheme already

appears corrupt or out-of-spec from my point of view. I do think it is our responsibility to think about this problem.

Secondly, I would like to contribute some thoughts on the topic of

remote voting. Perhaps rather than solving the app based voting

issue perfectly, we could aim at having certainty for validating

votes that is better than already exists. It may be the case that

under a phone app voting system, we still end up with voters in

Florida that have been known dead for a decade. If we can assess

what the present error bars are then we can have a goal in mind.

There are certainly many truly good thoughts on cryptography

and as Neal Koblitz has pointed out in a bold non-paper paper,

one of the functions of the NSA is to act as consultants on cryptographic

practice. For our entertainment, let's imagine a collaboration between the

NSA and some large gaming company, Blizzard perhaps, where the goal is

to develop a critical application voting app. While I anticipate aggressive

objections from some friam readers, there is something worth thinking about.

A friend of mine pointed out that when classic World of Warcraft was recently

released, Blizzard was prepared to have over 500,000 simultaneous users.

These users are not making 15 one-time choices but rather orders of magnitude

more choices. These choices are handled fairly consistently, with few dropped

packets and with little lag (each of which is demanded by the online gaming

community). This suggests to me that there are industries, like the gaming industry,

that have thought very carefully and for a long time about the problems of large

scale concurrent user bases and verification of its user base. Surely the tech is

out there, but I am unsure what the next careful steps ought to be.

Cheers,

Jonathan Zingale

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