Glen -
It seems to me that when CHON molecules chain up and become
lipids, proteins, sugars etc. and those in turn self-organize
into macromolecules of various kinds including membranes,
vesicles, microtubules, then organelles, cells, organs,
organisms...
I am not sure if by your logic/language that none of those
"patterns" upon which we impose "language" or "stories" to
describe their (seemingly?) pervasive patterning, are real? Or
going down from the atomic elements of C, H, O, N that even those
exist because apparently/assuredly they are somehow composed of
protons, neutrons, electrons... then below that quarks or
quantum-gravity loops or 9D strings or ...
Again, I'm not trying to corner you or argue for a particular
perspective, just trying to observe, and learn from your Cook
Ding technique.
If I were to try to *argue* against what I think you are saying,
I would try to say that these higher level patterns (e.g.
songlines) are emergent and therefore as "real" as atomic
elements, organic molecules, macromolecules... on up? Seeking a
monomolecular occams razor.
- Steve
Glen, It seems to me that you are arguing for a kind of strict materialism. To what ends is defining *the real* important to you? Jon -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/
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