Re: Unmediated perception - sheldrake

Posted by Prof David West on
URL: http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/Unmediated-perception-sheldrake-tp7593553p7593562.html

Yes, Sheldrake,yearns for a kind of metaphysical reality and scientific validity that still eludes him. I think that have have reached, and are at risk of blending with, homeopathy and the like cure like, the dilution of "stuff" til there is no stuff left, but the "water has memory."

All based, of course on shared resonance.

Not sure about the data set. Most of it is from him or true believers and suffers from finding what you are looking for. But, because no one is really taking him seriously, no one is presenting data sets that might prove him wrong. Also, not a statistician so can't comment on methodology or significance.

Another of those connection things — a few years back, in a Quantum Consciousness type book, there was a discussion of resonance starting from the vibrating strings of physics fame to aggregates of strings creating blended vibrations to larger aggregates creating "harmonies" and feedback from "observers" blending everything — and when I was reading that it seemed to "resonate with Sheldrake." Being quite vague here, because the book is back home, but when I return I will pick it up and look at it again.

davew

On Sun, Sep 15, 2019, at 11:56 PM, Steven A Smith wrote:

Geez, Steve,

 

I didn’t know that morphs COULD resonate.

 

What on earth are you talking about?

What Dave just said in description of Sheldrake's theory of "morphic resonance"...   a resonant coupling amongst things which have the same morphology  (shape).  In your case, you and Dave apparently have similar "intellectual resonant chambers" which, in this treatment "begin to resonate" as you spend enough time "coupling" (in conversation).  

Following the analogy (stronger/more-formal than a metaphor I propose), when you "couple" with others who you end up disagreeing with, I suspect it starts out  a bit like a barbershop quartet... one member hitting a tone and another following by hitting the same tone, but as the progression gets more  complex, the *differences* in your tonality starts to expose itself as dissonances.   I credit you "harmonizing" with Dave in this (and perhaps other) instance to Dave for *trying* to help you find the same note (as I am here).  

The Nick and Frank show (e.g. recent analogy to train conductors) seems to be a deliberate study/applicatoin in dissonance... one of you hits a note  and the other intuitively (or with great intellectual effort) factors the composing frequencies of that note and responds with a new note that has *none* or *few* of the same composing frequencies, generating a complex set of beat frequencies anew.   I don't know how much this type of deliberate dissonance is used in echolocating creatures (bats, cetaceans, ???) but finding *dissonance* seems potentially *more useful* than resonance in some cases?

- Steve

 

Nick

 

Nicholas S. Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

Clark University

http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

 

From: Friam [[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Steven A Smith
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Interesting, David.  With most people I find that if we talk long enough, we disagree; with you it mostly works the other way.  Thank you.

 

Nick

 

Looks like a case of morphic resonance to me!

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