http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/do-animals-psychologize-tp7591762p7591825.html
Well, unshared ontologies SOME of the time. It's the inconsistency -- in myself and others -- that drives me bonkers.
Great to hear from you. I am returning to SF a week from Saturday. Where are you?
Nicholas S. Thompson
Perhaps people provide a psychological question with a physiological answer for the same reason you reply to a consciousness question with a behavioral answer? Unshared ontologies?
> Nick, what was the cat dosing with, LSD? (just being a smart-a__)
>
> Perhaps people provide a psychological question with a physiological
> answer for the same reason you replay to a consciousness question with
> a behavioral answer?
>
> davew
>
> On Mon, Sep 17, 2018, at 12:59 PM, Nick Thompson wrote:
> > Marcus,
> >
> > I have never understood how it comes to be that people answer a
> > psychological question with a physiological answer. I, of course,
> > share your belief that all psychological functions are physiologically (or
> > electronically) mediated. Still, for instance, it would seem odd to
> > me, if I asked a person if an animal can calculate the square root
> > of three, for that person to answer, "That animal does not have the
> > sort of brain that can calculate the square root of three". The
> > natural course of argument would seem for me for the person to
> > answer the question about the calculation activities of the animal
> > and THEN go on, perhaps, to explain that answer in terms of the
> > physiological limitations of the animal's brain.
> >
> > We once had a famously smart cat. One day we were watching TV and a
> > cat came on. Our cat roused itself from dosing on the rug, went
> > over and looked behind the tv, came back to the rug, looked at the
> > TV, looked at us disgustedly, and lay down on the rug with its back to the TV. It
> > never roused to a cat on the TV again. No cat would be dumb enough to
> > be fooled by pornography. I don't know what that proves about the
> > question at hand, but I love cat stories.
> >
> > Nick
> >
> > Nicholas S. Thompson
> > Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology Clark University
> >
http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Friam [mailto:
[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Marcus
> > Daniels
> > Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 1:53 PM
> > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
> > <
[hidden email]>
> > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] do animals psychologize?
> >
> > I would say this relates to the reality (or not) of first-world
> > problems. Humans that thrive in the first world must form (or be
> > educated to acquire) higher-order representations. Psychologizing is
> > one process that leads to higher-order representations. In an
> > artificial deep neural network, the neurons in the higher layers
> > represent more and more abstract interpretations of inputs that have
> > be presented, but it can take hundreds of thousands of neurons and
> > dozens of layers.
> >
> > One might imagine pets that have fewer neurons and less connectivity
> > amongst neurons could still develop higher-level representations
> > provided that these adaptations did not interfere with other
> > essential information processing functions -- keeping in mind the
> > most important function for a pet is probably anticipating the
> > meaning of human signals.
> >
> > Anyway, we'll make great pets.
> >
> > Marcus
> >
> > On 9/17/18, 11:30 AM, "Friam on behalf of Nick Thompson" <friam-
> >
[hidden email] on behalf of
[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > Yes, Glen and Marcus. Very interesting.
> >
> > But, "Do animals psychologize?"
> >
> > N
> >
> > Nicholas S. Thompson
> > Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
> > Clark University
> >
http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Friam [mailto:
[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Marcus Daniels
> > Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 10:57 AM
> > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <
[hidden email]>
> > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] do animals psychologize?
> >
> > Glen writes:
> >
> > "Even in your example, we might notice that even though there are N licenses
> > doled out, the deer population continues to rise. It would be
> > over-intervention to simply issue more licenses. Perhaps the people getting
> > the licenses are mostly an aging population who don't hunt much anymore but
> > have some semi-automated approach to getting a license?"
> >
> > A population estimation input comes from tagging stations relative to issued
> > licenses by category of deer, so they can & do close-the-loop by way of
> > enforcement.
> > The population estimation techniques require some assumptions, of course.
> >
> > Marcus
> >
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