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Re: Any non-biological complex systems?

Posted by Russ Abbott on
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I'll buy the ones Steven Smith mentioned. But those are mainly weather and related. I guess that could be generalized to weather and geology.

I don't see why formation of galaxies, stars and planets would be considered a complex system phenomenon unless all of physics would be.

A vortex or hurricane or other dissipative system? 

I'd rule out high speed trading since it's done with computers and works only because it interacts with people trading. 

All the examples I like (weather, etc.) are open systems that have energy flowing through them. That often generates interesting phenomena. (As we mentioned above dissipative systems.) Do you think that's enough to qualify a system as complex? (I know, as Steve said, it's a fuzzy term.) They all reflect "emergence" of some sort -- even though I don't like that term these days. But they lack the quality of complexity that we find in systems containing agents with some degree of autonomy.

Are there any non-biological, non-human, non-computer systems that would qualify as consisting of autonomous agents?

On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 8:48 PM Gillian Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:
Although Donder's Son  may have a fine example.  The clouds (gas things)  Jupiter or saturns weather are fine example of complicated stuff only those planets make.

On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 9:04 PM, Steven A Smith <[hidden email]> wrote:

"Complex Systems" being a somewhat fuzzy concept, this is hard/easy to answer.  


Any physical system comprised of large numbers of similar or identical elements  which interact and yield non-linear collective behaviour seems like a good enough definition for your purposes.   Sand dune formation and (breaking) waves and cloud formation/dissipation all seem like pretty good candidates, not to mention the aforementioned weather in general.   Earthquake/Rift/Mountain formain seems like a good fit as well as wind/rain erosion of soil in general.


On 5/24/17 8:56 PM, cody dooderson wrote:
Is a vortex like a funnel cloud or the Saturn's hexagon considered a complex system?

Cody Smith

On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 8:31 PM, Marcus Daniels <[hidden email]> wrote:

High speed trading comes close to not involving people.    Other examples that come to mind involve some autonomous (biological) agent creating demand.   For example, energy or data or transportation networks are responding to a logistical demand created by people.   Netflix (vs. adaptive routing) is a demand created by people.    

 

As companies like Google begin to build agents that build models and satisfy constraints the requests they initiate will become more adaptive. 

 

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Are there any good examples of a complex system that doesn't involve biological organisms (including human beings)?


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