Re: organizations

Posted by Merle Lefkoff-2 on
URL: http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/organizations-tp7589385p7589392.html

Hey, Roger.  Any ideas for how to recruit 18F for the Revolution?  We need all the "inside disrupters" we can get!

On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 8:48 AM, Roger Critchlow <[hidden email]> wrote:
I think you're overstating the hazard here.  For ordinary people, with ordinary management, attempting to complete an ordinary software project, let them scrum and they'll do better than they will with an ordinary tyrant micromanaging the project.  If you have a heroic software problem and a budget appropriate to the problem, then by all means bring in the big guns and do trial by technical criticism.  But even then, there are standards of conduct that are understood to apply.   Coming into the meetings like Donald Trump would make for an edgier debate than you're talking about, no?

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On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 2:04 AM, Marcus Daniels <[hidden email]> wrote:

Two groups that start with the premise that the whole (a team) is more than the sum of its parts and will FOREVER advocate social collaboration tools and behavioral guidelines ad nauseam to make sure that the social but otherwise ordinary team members will always be able to delay coherent technical planning, or (worse!) edgy debates where any proposition could be shown to be poorly motivated or false.

 

From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Roger Critchlow
Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2017 11:36 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] organizations

 

I dunno, you think there's a connection between diversity/intersectionality and agile design?  They always harp on hearing the quiet voice that's telling the important truth.  Seems like agile's main point is that the clients really want something much simpler than they can be talked into, but you have to convince all the coders that that is true, or else they'll build, or fail to build, something much more complicated than necessary.  So you organize as a team of lemmings and crowd source the design to death.  

 

When life gives you lemmings, scrum.  (Life is usually going to give you lemmings.)

 

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On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 12:11 AM, Marcus Daniels <[hidden email]> wrote:

“It's fun, too, to wander around github figuring out who 18F is, what they do, and why they might make an issue of how they want to work together with each other and their clients.”

 

Heh. I think a bot generated their pages from a dictionary of agile-speak.

 

Marcus


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emergentdiplomacy.org
Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA

Visiting Professor in Integrative Peacebuilding
Saint Paul University
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