From an ol-ex-pat...
I listened to BBC World Service live on my iPhone app with mounting surprise as the returns showed the Leave solidifying their gains. I agree Cameron gambled and lost. I can sympathize with some resentment towards the 'faceless' bureaucrats in Brussels making fine-grained and annoying regulations but was surprised that the immigration issue struck such a chord among what appears to be mostly the working class. And these immigrants are mostly Caucasian Eastern Europeans.
But Britain was never so tightly integrated as other member
countries who adopted the Euro currency. So the challenge to
British identity, the Pound, and possibly the Crown eventually
became too much for the man and woman on the street.
I suspect Scotland and Northern Ireland voted to Remain because a) the immigration issue isn't really there there and they received a lot of Euro funding for social/infrastructure projects while Britain as a whole was a net contributor.
A US parallel might be Texas seceding from the Union.
Some numbers from
http://ec.europa.eu/budget/figures/interactive/index_en.cfm
2014 Expenditures UK €6,984 Million, while France, Germany, Poland, Italy, Greece, Belgium* and Spain all got more and Poland at €17.4B a lot more. (* 2007 €4B on administration presumably to run the EU and is similar to the Mayor of London's budget)
2014 Total National Contributions UK €11,341 Million, 4th largest after Germany, France and Italy.
So there's over €4 Billion/yr off the bat to be gained by leaving
before taking trade & employment impacts into account which
are predicted to be dire, only no country has done this before so
there's no basis for predications.
Robert C
From what I heard David Cameron messed it up. He failed miserably. In order to get elected and to get rid of his right wing critics he promised the people this referendum where they can vote for or against the EU. If people had voted to remain in the EU it would have been a victory for him. It wasn't. He lost.
Most of the "Brexit" voters voted against the EU because they are against immigrants and want to make Britain great again, much like Trump in US. Unfortunately it will not happen, the British Pound will drop, customs will raise and the UK will slide into a recession. EU funding for universities in the UK will stop. It looks pretty bad for Great Britain, as you can see in the reaction of the stock markets.
TL;DR Cameron messed it up and everyone in Europe is a bit shocked about the result of the referendum.
RegardsJochen
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-------- Original message --------From: Gillian Densmore [hidden email]Date: 6/24/16 21:23 (GMT+01:00)To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group [hidden email]Subject: [FRIAM] Anyone from England
Care to speculate what's going on with this leave the EU thing?
I can guess but I might be wrong, I suppose I thought while the EU comes across as a discuntional family. I didn't know drama between England and the rest of Europe was so bad that they'd want to leave.
places like telegraph aren't exactly helping matters:
So anyone from England have some opinions about what's going on?Also as it is reported in America it's a close call of 48 to 50% unless I totally misunderstand parimentarian best practices I thought that's when they called for another vote or a simple majority?Or am I wrong?More importantly can I still move there if a certain delusional Sith think's he can do some good?not a sith lord, just a sith, he's got all the makings of a sith, just not a good one.:P
How's the beer and weather?Where's a good place to live?
Anyway I hope all everyone has a day full of glory!MUCH MERRIMENT AND REVELRY!
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