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Re: Physicists and Philosophers Debate the Boundaries of Science | Quanta Magazine

Posted by Patrick Reilly on Dec 29, 2015; 8:43am
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On thick & thin problems:

Excerpt:

I would call this a classic ‘thick’ problem, one in which an analyst needs to deal with an enormous amount of data of varying quality.  Being smart is necessary but not sufficient: you also need to know lots of  stuff.




Link:

https://westhunt.wordpress.com/2012/06/06/thick-and-thin/



----   Pat



On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 12:18 AM, Pamela McCorduck <[hidden email]> wrote:
Thanks, Nick, for the research on “thick” and “thin.”


On Dec 28, 2015, at 4:42 PM, Patrick Reilly <[hidden email]> wrote:

Not my terms.

On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 10:32 PM, Pamela McCorduck <[hidden email]> wrote:
I haven’t heard the terms “thin problems” and “thick problems.” Are these yours, Patrick? They’re wonderfully intuitive: if I hadn’t heard the terms before, I still knew what you meant. Thanks.

As for the techno-liberterians of Silicon Valley, it’s useless to remind them that they ride on a grand government investment of half a century ago, that none of them, individually, or collectively, would have made. But on this, I save my breath to cool my soup.

Pamela


On Dec 28, 2015, at 4:13 PM, Patrick Reilly <[hidden email]> wrote:

Well, the main point I have (unless Nick's psychoanalysis of my thinly submitted aggressiveness is the real story) is that I believe that there are thin problems and thick problems, and that solvers of thin problems are overly regarded in Silicon Valley culture.    

Such captains of industry think that, if they could have coded Twitter, then they know all that they need to to address any discoverable problem after a day or two's investigation.  So the referenced article on the dilemma of Physics will be a valuable reference for me in suggesting that some problems are thick problems . . . and require extensive data-gathering.

And yes, I am tired of hearing from techno-Libertarians that all political problems and privacy rights issues are easily solvable by merely limiting or hobbling government action.  Particularly when IMHO there are currently numerous private corporate entities that need to be better restrained and regulated.



---  Pat



On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 10:35 PM, gepr <[hidden email]> wrote:

FWIW, I'm very interested in your responses, being an ex-libertarian with both marxist and observationalist friends.

On Dec 28, 2015 1:35 PM, "Patrick Reilly" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> I'm mainly worried that my educational session with Nick is boring everyone else.


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