Re: Live Q&A with Edward Snowden: Thursday 23rd January, 8pm GMT, 3pm EST

Posted by Marcus G. Daniels on
URL: http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/Live-Q-A-with-Edward-Snowden-Thursday-23rd-January-8pm-GMT-3pm-EST-tp7584887p7584903.html

On 1/26/14 4:16 PM, Owen Densmore wrote:
- Deadly Embrace: The idea that if we only go at it long enough, we'll agree somehow.  In math, convergence.  Judging from the length of this type of thread, I think they are divergent.
Divergent is ok, even a goal of conversation.   Note that this thread was a tangent.  The connection was RMS's suggestion that NSA and FBI employees consider their obligations w.r.t. to domestic threats to the U.S. Constitution.   I'm pretty sure RMS's boilerplate header is not intended as humor.   Now, take it back to Snowden and the merit of technical vs. philosophical discussion.   Here again is someone with technical competence (in his domain) and a apparently a philosophical axe to grind.  (Ok, Mike Rogers, et. al.  try as hard as they can to convince us that he has no such technical competence and no philosophical axe to grind; that he is merely a spy.  Whatever.)   Contrast that person against the nameless NSA employee that has a technically enriching job doing encryption or data mining or quantum computing and doesn't want to be bothered with the Why of their job.   That they keep their head down does not imply they have more a professional focus or competence.  It could make them _more_ dangerous because they have no set of values or ethics that drive their decisions.  Too much mercenary. 

The objection I have is to people that optimize only on dimensions that are given to them.   "Tool" is the word that comes to mind.
- Semantic Arguments: Endless fine points on the meaning of the words and goal of the conversation.
Especially when there is no interpolation or memory or direct dissection of evident contradiction or ambiguity.

Marcus

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