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glen ropella on
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On 01/17/2014 10:57 AM, Marcus G. Daniels wrote:
> On 1/17/14, 11:46 AM, glen wrote:
>> First, it would be just as "fascist"
>> to assert that fascism should always be quashed as it is to assert that
>> fascism is always good. Again, what matters is the extent to which the
>> ideals are embedded in a practical context ... the "openness".
>>
>> (1) I can imagine some goals (e.g. preventing all and every instance of
>> rape) should be a bit "fascist" in order to facilitate freedom of
>> another type.
>> [..]
>>
>> (3) [..] Banning abortion in any
>> entire _state_ is just plain wrong. It's simply too difficult to leave
>> the state unless you live on the border. But banning abortion in a
>> county ... particularly if there is a nearby county where the service is
>> available? Maybe. The problem, of course, lies in how inter-deme flow
>> is managed.
>>
> To get this mustn't one be prepared to pursue "openness" by force?
> To point to essential (but arbitrary) principles? One that's been done,
> why not apply the same principles at the local level? It seems
> paradoxical to me.
It may be paradoxical. But the established way of resolving paradoxes
is to enlarge the universe. I suspect even "openness" should be
situational, applied or not, based on the context. To idealize around
that ideal is just as bad as idealizing around any other ideal. I.e.
the "openness" ideal is good in moderation, but can't be successfully
used everywhere. That's why I provided 3 considerations: 1) the
particular goal, 2) the scope of the goal, and 3) "openness".
But even so, one could be prepared to force "openness" as long as the
measure of "openness" and the application of the force, are themselves
"open". (I hear whispers of Raymond- and Stallman-esque homunculi
arguing...)
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⇒⇐ glen
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