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Re: outsider everything

Posted by glen ropella on Aug 17, 2013; 9:45pm
URL: http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/How-Laura-Poitras-Helped-Snowden-Spill-His-Secrets-NYTimes-com-tp7583618p7583662.html

On 08/16/2013 04:00 PM, Marcus G. Daniels wrote:

> I'd say stability and trustworthiness are different things. Stability
> arises almost necessarily because there are different individuals
> competing for power within the organization.  [...]
>
> Once a structure like this becomes stable, the the organization can
> become immune from the truth.   No one in the lower ranks has an
> incentive any more to rock the boat -- everything becomes about internal
> political signaling.    There is no reason to be trustworthy in any
> universal sense because the incentives for survival within the
> organization follow a different set of rules.

I'm not convinced of the difference between stability and
trustworthiness.  I suppose it depends on what one means by "trust".  I
trust people like Penrose to behave in Penrosian ways.  And I trust the
Washington Post to behave in Wapovian ways.  That's what I mean by
trust.  The point being that if I hear something from, say Rush
Limbaugh, I should be able to make a fast estimation of that thing.  I
expect it to be Limbaugh-like.  So, to me, trust is less about some
universal Truth according to a grand unified theory of the universe.
It's more about model-ability.

> In the case of the NSA, a concern is what manager has any incentive to
> enforce their supposed no-US-persons rules?   If, as a set of upper
> level managers, they all come to believe the only important thing is
> showing how signals intelligence can catch violent Islamic extremists,
> and that will justify a steadily growing budget, then they just need to
> design a plausible-but-weak-self-enforcement mechanism that have no real
> teeth.

I agree to some extent.  But you're ignoring the fact that these people
often do have lives outside their work.  And those lives often
interfere, cognitively, with their more robot-like optimization methods
within their work.  Of course, as more and more of us _linearize_ and
self-select our interactions via tools like facebook, or on-line dating,
etc., then those less linear parts of their lives will have less chance
to interfere.

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⇒⇐ glen e. p. ropella
I have gazed beyond today


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