leptons-
I think it is all "intermediate vector bosons"... or maybe I just like the way that phrase sounds?
-boson
Thanks for all the answers. To answer John's question first, magnetism doesn't seem miraculous (it's too familiar), but I can't say I understand how it works. It was just that question about magnetism that Feynman was asked as the start of the video in which he danced around the question before saying he couldn't give an intuitive answer.
What would a satisfying answer look like? That's a very good question. Superficially it would be something like a sophisticated version of billiard balls: when one hits another, energy is transferred. But even that doesn't work well when looked at carefully. What happens in detail when one hits another. If the two objects were absolutely solid, how would one "feel" the impact of the other. Would the transfer simply become a primitive? If they were somewhat springy, how does that springyness work? And besides, there must be some surface-like thing that receives the impact and something more internal that absorbs it.
Bruce's QM photon explanation is pretty close to what I'm looking for, but as he notes, it only works for repulsive forces. It also relies on primitives. In that case the emission and absorption of a photon and the associated transfer of energy seem to be primitive actions.
The papers by Hobson look very interesting. They even look like I can read them. I haven't done that yet, though.
As a software person, a good explanation is often something like an API. How does one object interact with another? We know that objects have capabilities (specified by their APIs), and that it's possible for one object to trigger the performance of a capability in another object. We don't ask how the triggering event gets from one to the other. That's magic at a lower level. We just assume that it can happen and that there isn't anything more to say about it at the object level of abstraction.
So I would be (somewhat) happy with an answer that said (a) what the capabilities are (something like a API for elementary particles/fields) and (b) what the non-decomposable primitive actions are, e.g., like emit and absorb.
-- Russ Abbott
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On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 7:06 PM, John Kennison <[hidden email]> wrote:
Russ,
Before people knew about magnetism, it must have seemed miraculous that two stones would spontaneously start to move toward (or away from) each other. Now we can say, "Oh, it's just magnetism". But if we think about long enough, we may still wonder how two objects can move toward or away from each other. My question would be, "Does magnetism still seem a bit miraculous, or do you feel your question is answered, at least for magnetism? In either case, what would a satisfying answer look like?"
John
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Is there a mechanistic-type explanation for how forces work? For example, two electrons repel each other. How does that happen? Other than saying that there are force fields that exert forces, how does the electromagnetic force accomplish its effects. What is the interface/link/connection between the force (field) and the objects on which it acts. Or is all we can say is that it just happens: it's a physics primitive?
So far, there haven't been any answers that feel satisfying--although, please look at them yourselves. One of the comments pointed to a 7 1/2 minute video by Feynman, in which he talks around the problem before finally saying he can't provide an intuitive explanation. I don't think it was one of his better efforts. Does anyone on this list have an answer?
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