On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 3:14 PM, Edward Angel <
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> Owen,
>
> As you know, I've never had any real objection to your position and I agree
> as to the lack of a reasonable modern distribution system. I do get upset
> when the conversation approaches the "I think the price is too high so I'm
> justified in making an illegal copy."
>
> Ed
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> Ed Angel
>
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> On Apr 18, 2013, at 2:30 PM, Owen Densmore wrote:
>
> I too have had to build an ethics, so to speak.
>
> Books: For quite a while, I simply downloaded books to see if I wanted to
> buy them. I deleted the download and purchased the book if I liked the
> download. Also download books if I have the paper version.
>
> EBooks: Similar. Then came the problem of formats. For example, Amazon only
> provides kindle format (.mobi/.azw) while tech books provide three formats
> (.pdf, .mobi, .epub). I found myself downloading pdf versions of .azw's
> because the silly books referred to "pages". Hopefully Az will finally come
> around, but until they do, and the book is not available in multiple
> formats, I'll download a pdf if need be. Almost all tech books are ebooks
> and on my iPad.
>
> Video: I downloaded old TV shows which were not available otherwise. Also,
> our net was DSL, so too slow for streaming, even youtube! With a new faster
> network, cable, we're looking at Amazon primarily, and have Az Prime so many
> videos are available free. We also have NetFlix streaming but don't seem to
> use it. We stopped NetFlix DVDs when they hit a 30% failure rate. Not sure
> about Hulu, don't use it now. We record, TiVo, a LOT of sports and cooking
> shows and re-runs on SciFi channel.
>
> Papers/Magazines: Thus far I have not payed for NYTimes. They let me read N
> a month, and I believe allow click-throughs to not count against the N. But
> I admit to defeating their count by going incognito in Chrome at times,
> maybe once a month. I've also found that much of their stuff finds itself
> elsewhere.
>
> I believe a "digital library" solution would be helpful for paying for a lot
> of media. I'd gladly pay $D dollars for N subscriptions .. a "book shelf"
> like OReilly's Safari .. but much broader.
>
> So I'm sorta in the middle, but mainly due to the media industries not
> "catching up". Between Az Prime and buying ebooks, I'm easily at $250/year
> .. yipes! My guess is that the big TV companies will try one way or another
> to make older shows available, but I don't think they've done it yet. Az
> doesn't offer pdf's yet but I'm sure they'll both improve their page
> references etc, and go multiformat sometime.
>
> -- Owen
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 1:42 PM, Edward Angel <
[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> From an author's perspective:
>>
>> 1. By downloading a pirated copy, you lower the number of books a library
>> will purchase which does cost the author.
>> 2. Having a permanent copy has some value over a library book for many
>> people.
>>
>> Ed
>> __________
>>
>> Ed Angel
>>
>> Founding Director, Art, Research, Technology and Science Laboratory (ARTS
>> Lab)
>> Professor Emeritus of Computer Science, University of New Mexico
>>
>> 1017 Sierra Pinon
>> Santa Fe, NM 87501
>> 505-984-0136 (home)
[hidden email]
>> 505-453-4944 (cell)
http://www.cs.unm.edu/~angel
>>
>>
>> On Apr 18, 2013, at 1:19 PM, Arlo Barnes wrote:
>>
>> But it sounds like it is out of your price range, at least for now. The
>> author (nor the publisher) gets no money from you checking the book out of
>> the library, so what are they losing from you pirating the book? Not that I
>> am suggesting that is what you should do - it is an individual decision,
>> after all - but I always find it interesting what people consider their
>> 'boundary' and why.
>> -Arlo James Barnes
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