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Re: scientific evidence

Posted by Nick Thompson on Apr 10, 2013; 4:17pm
URL: http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/Fwd-New-post-The-Loud-and-Clear-Message-that-the-TED-Controversy-is-Sending-tp7582434p7582632.html

Glen,

 

I have yet to integrate my thinking about "convergence" (preferable to "consensus", I think) with the stuff about recursion, which was near-30 years ago.   It was the sort of thing that I though Peter Lipton and I might do when we were old.   Not sure I am man enough to do it alone.  I think Peirce would say ... particularly the later Peirce ... that in recursive explanations lurks a form of "right-thinking" that cannot be described in the terms of formal logic

 

Remember that a click on the abstract gets you the whole paper, should you be curious.

 

By the way, there is a truly excellent summary of Peirce's thought, called On Peirce ... just a hundred pages ... and expensive for all of that ... just a pamphlet, really, .... but worth every penny, by Cornelis DeWaal (Wadsworth).  My Peirce mentor also approves of it. 

 

N

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of glen e p ropella
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 8:42 AM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] scientific evidence

 

On 04/09/2013 11:13 PM, Nicholas Thompson wrote:

> But if you think I ought to have

> a look at it, I will.  In general, I am a fan of Peirce's earlier

> usage, that seemed to give hope that we could work out in some detail

> the right thinking by which fruitful conjectures are arrived at.  In

> short, I don't think that abduction is a post-modernist crap shoot.

 

No, I don't think you should look at "The Reach of Abduction".  It's a good book and it helps me understand the subject, because it's a more formal/technical treatment without all the prosaic gymnastics others use to talk about it.

 

> It argues that a form of quasi-circular thinking, "recursive theory,"

> is useful in the development of a science so long is one is scrupulous

> in avoiding its pitfalls.[...] So, in the right hands, this quasi

> circular explanation would lead to a more precise description of the

> properties of morphine that put people to sleep.

>

> Peter died last year, despite being many years my junior, and since I

> cannot be trusted, on my own, to get these things right, I attach a

> link to the abstract

> <http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/id33.html>

 

Thanks.  I'll take a look at that.  As you know, I'm a fan of circularity, especially when it can be formalized as in Aczel's non-well-founded sets.  But I'm worried that a "recursive" rhetoric might come a bit too close to confirmation bias or motivated reasoning, which can be consequences of the type of long term consensus you're arguing for.

 

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