Re: Fwd: [New post] The Loud and Clear Message that the TED Controversy is Sending
Posted by Rich Murray-2 on Apr 04, 2013; 2:52am
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Hello --
or Hell No ?
Hell Low?
I am pleased to see a candid consensus that there is simply nothing that is woo , so little motive to examine evidence, as one post pointed out:
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So far in this thread I hear opinions mixed with some desire to examine evidence, but no discussion of the evidence itself. We are ourselves demonstrating one of the points made in the original blog post that spawned this thread - that it's about culture and assumptions, not science.
I don't have time to read the links to further discussion and experimental data given in that post, but would enjoy hearing on this list from those that do.
OK, from my viewpoint, as a moderately competent experiencer-teacher of woo, there is only woo...
i.e. woo is a reef on the island continent of mysticism, which in turn is about conscious awareness --
the testimony being that personal experience can display changes of state, or phase changes, similar to the transition from 2D to 3D vision, or black/white to shades of grey to full spectrum of color -- those who share this necessarily mainly share with others of like mind, in a variety of subcultures within the far larger number of those who rarely or never have these shifts, temporarily to permanently -- so woo for many is "the first step of a journey of a thousand miles" -- it is enticing to read and hear about myriad accounts of every variety and flavor of woo, but necessarily it is fundamental that any program of investigation of the reality status of altered, improved state of awareness can only be comprehended and chosen by persistent personal choice to investigate as direct personal experience...
this is accelerating worldwide exponentially, so now woo is socially mobilizing in ways never before possible, so now there are inevitably, new kinds of interactions among woo and non-woo groups --
so, accordingly, I sent this to friam last night:
comrades in awareness, I like everything this old guy Fred Davis in South Carolina writes, so I got his brand new book for $ 4 on Kindle cloud reader and read half of it just now with relish -- very fresh open cheerful dialogue that really illuminates awareness fast -- new level of effective uncommon sense sharing, just the way he talks to clients via Skype since 2010... within the fellowship of service, Rich
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The Nonduality Highlights http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NDhighlights/
THE BOOK OF UNDOING
Direct Pointing to Nondual Awareness
Direct Pointing to Nondual Awareness
by Fred Davis
Chapter One
A Look at the Book and the Process
This book has arisen from Direct Pointing sessions that I've had with clients around the world. These deceptively simple inquiries and dialogues work. Men and women who have studied Nonduality for decades, both in and out of structured traditions, without experiencing even the first authentic glimpse of themselves have come to recognize their true nature during these talks. Some of them have been glimpses, and others remain ongoing. Still others, who were confounded by oscillation when we began to talk, have moved from there into stable Nondual awareness. And of course there are a few people who've reported no change at all; such is the way of it.
A Look at the Book and the Process
This book has arisen from Direct Pointing sessions that I've had with clients around the world. These deceptively simple inquiries and dialogues work. Men and women who have studied Nonduality for decades, both in and out of structured traditions, without experiencing even the first authentic glimpse of themselves have come to recognize their true nature during these talks. Some of them have been glimpses, and others remain ongoing. Still others, who were confounded by oscillation when we began to talk, have moved from there into stable Nondual awareness. And of course there are a few people who've reported no change at all; such is the way of it.
I will be using the term "awakening," but we should be clear that this is simply languaging to speak about a topic that is extremely difficult -- impossible, actually -- to communicate. Silence is really the best medium for this message, but a blank book is unlikely to be very helpful, so we'll plow on ahead using the best words that we can find. The core of all Nondual teachings is the experiential discovery of our shared true nature. We could further say that just beyond the core of Nonduality lies an incredibly sharp and skillful vocabulary, which grows sharper daily as more and more teachers emerge, and the teachers we have grow in experience.
Every teacher represents a unique set of hard and soft conditioning (nature and nurture), and thus each views the singular landscape in a slightly or radically different way. So too will their experience, understandings, and presentations be distinct. While this can cause some element of confusion, particularly early on, it also births a wonderfully diverse set of approaches. We need all we can get, because it is the languaging of the teacher that is most widely and easily communicated, and therefore most apt to lead us from that place just beyond the heart, and into the heart itself.
It is the peculiar nature of Nondual teachings that we can only hear who and what we can hear. We could fill a stadium with awake beings, yet you or I might only be able to really resonate with a few of them. This doesn't mean the rest of these folks are wrong or deluded, it simply means they're someone else's teachers. If we are sincere in our own approach to the teachings, we may be sure that we will find a teacher or teaching that we will resonate with perfectly. We can't fail to; that's just how it works.
This teaching, my teaching, so to speak, starts from a position that is not new, yet which remains fairly radical. I presume that clients don't need to wake up, because they are always already awake.
Awakeness is not something you experience, it's what you are. By the same token, I presume that there's no need for you to come out of oscillation and into stability, because you are always already still. Stillness is not something you experience, once again it's what you are. Having understood the absolute truth of these things, we then embrace the relative nature of them. In other words, knowing all of this, I then go about the business of waking people up, or pulling them out of oscillation! It's just one of many paradoxes we'll encounter. If you've no stomach for paradox, you won't stay with Nonduality very long.
within the fellowship of service, Rich
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