> Russ,
>
> I take your point, but still, I would have a hard time composing a sentence
> of the form, " Russ has faith in X but he doesn't believe in it." Can you
> compose such a sentence for me?
>
> N
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> From:
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> Of Russ Abbott
> Sent: Monday, September 24, 2012 12:42 AM
> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] faith
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> Nick,
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> As I understand your position the words "faith" and "belief" are synonyms.
> I
> would prefer a definition for "faith" that distinguishes it from "belief."
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> Tory,
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> Thanks for you comment on my posts. I'm glad you enjoy them.
>
>
>
> My definition of faith makes use of the notion of the everyday world. But
> I'm not saying that the everyday world is the same for everyone. Your
> everyday world may be different from mine. I'm just saying that believing
> that the world will continue to conform to your sense of what the everyday
> world is like is not faith; it's simple belief.
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> Eric,
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> I would take "having faith in something" in the colloquial sense as
> different from "faith" in a religious context, which is what I was focusing
> on.
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>
>
> -- Russ
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>
>
> On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 9:27 PM, Victoria Hughes <
[hidden email]>
> wrote:
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> Russ wrote, in part-
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> Faith, I would say (in fact I did earlier)
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> is believing something that one wouldn't otherwise believe without faith.
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> Believing that the everyday world is the everyday world
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> doesn't seem to me to require faith.
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> Russ, with all due respect for the enjoyment I get from your posts, I find
> this suspiciously tautological.
>
>
>
> Who are you to define for the rest of humanity (and other sentient life
> forms) what 'the everyday world' incorporates? Numerous 'for instance'
> cases
> can immediately be made here. All you can do is define what you believe for
> yourself. You cannot extrapolate what is defensible for others to believe,
> from your own beliefs.
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>
>
> And this statement ' Faith is believing something that one wouldn't believe
> without faith'. Hm and hm again.
>
>
>
> Eagleman's new book Incognito
> <
http://www.amazon.com/Incognito-Secret-Lives-David-Eagleman/dp/0307389928/r> ef=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1348460523&sr=1-1&keywords=incognito+by+david+
> eagleman> offers fruitful information from recent neuroscience that may
> interest others on this list. His ultimate sections bring up hard questions
> about legal and ethical issues in the face of the myriad 'zombie programs'
> that run most of our behaviour. This looks like - but is not as simplistic
> as - 'yet another pop science book.'
>
>
>
> A review David Eagleman's
> <
http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ideas/brainiac/2011/06/david_eaglemans.ht> ml> "Incognito" - Brainiac
>
>
>
> Tory
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