Re: Is my government too big?

Posted by Eric Charles on
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Well... "yeah"... on that point... but Ron Paul isn't saying the government has been growing too big for the last 30 years. The graph you sent showed a BIG increase in government per-capita employment between 1950 and 1970, and Ron would probably argue that it was too big in 1950. If I get to put my Libertarian hat on <goes to closet>, then government is WAY too big, plus all the other things I mentioned. In particular, federal government is way too big. You can't argue for linear scaling there, because the federal government shouldn't be doing most of the things that require that growth model (no fire department, etc.). The size of the necessary permanent-defense force doesn't scale with the population, our borders haven't changed in quite a while. The size of the judiciary maybe does, but I'm not sure what else. Besides, if anything technology should have dramatically reduced the size of the necessary federal government over the past 50 years regardless of population growth, as human calculators are rarely needed anymore, hand inspection of goods is less necessary, most messages these days are transported electronically, and everyone can type their own memos.

Most people though, are not Libertarians. I was trying to give them the benefit of the doubt that there WAS a real thing they were complaining about, while also recognizing your point that it could not possibly be an increase in the size of the government. I can now see why that seemed a bit like thread hijacking to you, but it did not seem so to me at the time.

Eric

On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 07:32 PM, Roger Critchlow <[hidden email]> wrote:


On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 8:24 AM, ERIC P. CHARLES <epc2@...> wrote:
Roger,
Two points:

2) I don't think anyone has a problem with the government scaling in needed ways to the population. Yes, as cities get bigger, they need more police officers, firemen, etc. When people complain about "the growth in government", I think what they are really complaining about is the proliferation of new laws, especially when they involve "mission creep", in which the government starts to regulate newer and less necessary parts of their lives. When there are too many rules for people (i.e., legislators) to keep track of, you start to get schizophrenic sounding contradictions, which are necessarily enforced arbitrarily. Much of our problems could be solved if, at least for a short period, we convinced legislators to brag about how many laws they repealed, rather than them feeling they had to justify their existence by proposing and passing new laws. To make matters worse, when the per capita size of government remains the same, and the number of new laws continues to grow at staggering rates, it must be the case that enforcement of the old laws and regulations starts slipping. This means even more arbitrary enforcement and uncertainty.

Leaving aside the fact that Ron Paul and Paul Krugman were arguing on TV about the number of government employees just last Sunday, <a href="http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/09/09/the-zombie-that-ate-rand-pauls-brain/" onclick="window.open('http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/09/09/the-zombie-that-ate-rand-pauls-brain/');return false;">http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/09/09/the-zombie-that-ate-rand-pauls-brain/ has a link to the video, this is the third "change the subject" response I've received:

1) The federal government is only getting smaller because it's outsourcing essential services to private contractors.

2) When people say government is big, they mean the money.

3) When people say government is big, they mean the laws.

These are all interesting points, but I don't have any statistics to offer one way or the other.

My puzzle is that I truly believed that the nature of bureaucracies was to bloat, but these numbers don't support that hypothesis.  Why?  Are the results peculiarly American?  Do they vary between cultures?  Is there a right size for government?  Can we stop arguing about big (at least in numbers of employees) and start working on better now?

-- rec --

PS - The Pennsylvania gun laws gave me a chuckle, because I can imagine how that mess started.  I had ancestors carrying long guns around western Pennsylvania in the 18th century, there's a 1790's will by a great^n uncle bequeathing his rifle to his brother and his whiskey still to his father, unless dad got carried away, in which case mom should sell it.   

This life-style lead directly to the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whiskey_Rebellion" onclick="window.open('http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whiskey_Rebellion');return false;">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whiskey_Rebellion.  Western Pennsylvania rebelled and militia from the rest of the state had to invade itself to suppress the rebellion, all during the 8 years of George Washington's presidency.  You're talking about a place with very complicated attitudes about firearms that go way back.
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Eric Charles
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Penn State University
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