Re: Fwd: America and the Middle East: Murder in Libya | The Economist
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Great discussion, everyone.
To Owen's point about speaking out against injustice, perhaps we should start a world-wide organization of the "6-Sigma Peaceful Majority", speaking out against violence and hatred for any reason. May be it's time for the grass-root majority to be the leaders of peace and tolerance.
Belinda
On Sep 14, 2012, at 10:44 AM, Robert J. Cordingley wrote:
Or there's a bunch of irate terrorists/loonies/freedom fighters that
hijack the Islamic cause because they can't stand America(ns) and
want to hurt us as much as possible - pursuing 'death by a thousand
cuts' and know they can rile up the locals to act/riot/revolt.
Or has this theory been discredited.
Robert C
On 9/14/12 10:24 AM, Douglas Roberts
wrote:
Let's see if I understand you correctly, Owen.
There are a bunch of fundamentalist Islamists all up in arms
shouting "Allahu Akhbar" whilst burning down our embassies and
killing our diplomats because there is a film out that is
derogatory of the Muslim religion.
And this is not about religion?
I don't see it.
Or you don't see it.
What I do see is that there is one very large disconnect on
this particular issue.
--Doug
On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 10:17 AM, Owen
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wrote:
I do not believe this to be a
religious issue at all. The question is of groups and
institutions.
When a faction of a
group becomes apparently insane, do we not expect the
entire group, its leaders and majority, to speak up and
to mend?
When civil rights were
an issue in the south, many of us (I was at Georgia
Tech) spoke up, and indeed many churches of all stripes
did so. Many NRA members also speak up about the
extreme position the organization takes. Examples
abound. And yes, I consider this a Complexity domain,
much like Miller's Applause model.
Isn't this possibly a
cultural issue? Possibly regional? The largest Muslim
population is not Libya or Egypt or even all of the
middle east, its Indonesia. They do not appear to have
this issue.
So
my question stands as Kofi stated:
"Where are the leaders? Where is the Majority?
Nobody speaks up."
NOT
the religious leaders but the leaders of the culture in
which the religion lies.
And
Hussein, forgive me, but your inward religious stance
has nothing to do with speaking out against injustice.
It is not a religious issue, but a civic, cultural one.
-- Owen
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