re emergence vol 89,11

Posted by HighlandWindsLLC Miller on
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responding to Nick's question on what I meant on my emergence question:

What I am wondering related to emergent behavior patterns is whether, for example, with the "flocking syndrome", if put into a different top-down environment, would it possibly retain the flocking characteristics, but shift them to flock with others, or look for other entities to flock with -- or whether the tendency to flock itself would go away.
This relates to questions, thoughts I have, about how if one believes that humans have flocking characteristics (some of them) (as I do believe) then if environmental factors stop ability to communicate or somehow alter ability of those active flockers to flock in groups they are used to, (let's say, for argument, to try to bring about progressive change that helps the planet) will they simply a) regroup for different battles to push for/with; b)stop regrouping; c) get new types to group for planetary battles.
So I wondered if studies on shifting top-down impacts on emergence behavior exist.

Peggy Miller
Missoula, Mt.

From: "Nicholas Thompson" <[hidden email]>
To: "'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group'" <[hidden email]>
Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 12:14:40 -0700
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] emergence -- studies on "top down" limitations

Peggy,

 

I felt I “ought” to be able to answer this question … note the use of modal language. ( My sense of obligation and five dollars will get you a [small] cup of coffee in any restaurant in Santa Fe.)  But I am not sure I quite understood your question.  Is there a particular situation to which the question applies that you could describe to me?  It might be easier to answer in the particular.

 

Nick

 

From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of peggy miller
Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2010 11:12 AM
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Subject: [FRIAM] emergence -- studies on "top down" limitations

 

Since "top-down" impacts emergent behavior, have there been studies that take the same number and types of entities that are known to have emergent behavior of some predictable form -- like flock of set type of birds, and systematically change the "top" environment those entities exist in to study whether it impacts the emergent behavior that forms?

Thanks for any input from you all.
Peggy Miller




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