recap on Rosen

Posted by Phil Henshaw-2 on
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Can a self-consistent model have independently behaving parts, like
environments do?  

The energy of any natural system isn't going to be completely independent of
it's environment and other things, but the internally generated information
structures would seem to be, no?  
A model of natural system interactions would still need to include the
design of their information structures, though, so a self-consistent model
would then have the task of representing differently consistent things at
the same time, and be unable to do it.   Right ?

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> Behalf Of glen e. p. ropella
> Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 10:07 AM
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> Russell Standish wrote:
> > On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 08:55:29PM +0200, G?nther Greindl wrote:
> >> But, as said above, it seems that RR defines mechanism differently.
> This
> >> is of course very unfortunate, as it will have people talking past
> each
> >> other. Unfortunate also because mechanism is indeed a word which can
> be
> >> given a precise, mathematical meaning.
> >>
> >
> > Is this in fact the case?
>
> Which part?  Are you asking whether it's true that Rosen uses a
> peculiar
> definition of "mechanism"?  Or are you asking whether or not the normal
>  use of "mechanism" can be given a precise, mathematical meaning?
>
> > When I read "What is Life",
>
> Surely you mean "Life Itself"?  "What is Life" is a book by
> Schr?dinger.
>
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