> Hi Joost,
>
> Here's a case study. Notice how the concept of a geometrical space
> can be equated to a "context" in which patterns evolve, and see how
> this differs from its primitive cousin - an evolutionary genetic ANN.
>
>
http://eplex.cs.ucf.edu/papers/gauci_aaai08.pdf>
> Ken
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> From: friam-bounces at redfish.com [mailto:friam-bounces at redfish.com]
> On Behalf Of Joost Rekveld
> Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 1:54 PM
> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] recap on Rosen
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> Hi Ken,
>
> in the context of Rosen's objections to course of mathematics since
> pythagoras, in what respect would CPPN's be any better than 'rules
> centered agent based modelling' ?
> I never heard about CPPN's; it seems interesting, but I can't
> really find any examples of something they're better at than
> 'straight' CA or neural networks ?
>
> curious,
>
> Joost.
>
>
> On 21 Apr, 2008, at 5:29 PM, Ken Lloyd wrote:
>> Phil,
>>
>> There is a fundamental quality in mathematics - equality - or
>> reversibility,
>> if you will, that differs from nature. This means that there is a
>> directionality in natural processes that cannot be deconstructed.
>> Prigogine
>> calls the lack of directional and temporal equality "far from
>> equilibrium".
>>
>> Mathematics works well at describing systems at equilibrium, and
>> seems to
>> get progressively worse the further from equilibrium one gets.
>> Emergence
>> creates an emergency, so to speak.
>>
>> This has been my criticism of rules centered agent based modeling,
>> which is
>> a theme from Wolfram, and why I have been researching
>> compositional pattern
>> producing networks (CPPN's) evolved by HyperNEAT. It seems to
>> take energy
>> to evolve.
>>
>> The interesting thing is a paradigmatic difference between solving
>> problems,
>> and recognizing solutions.
>>
>> Ken
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