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Phil Henshaw on 01/03/2008 03:52 PM:
> But then going back to the thread, Rosen's theorem seems to be offered
> as proof that life requires gaps in efficient causation.
I don't know where you got this. Perhaps I don't understand what you're
saying here. But, RR was saying the opposite. Life requires NO gaps in
efficient causation... i.e. closure.
> Would it be a corollary to say no formal system can
> explain emergent organization of self-referencing causal loops, and so
> maybe make ordinary complex systems which develop by growth a typical
> case example for Rosen's idea?
I think complex (including complex_rr) systems which develop by growth
could be a typical example for RR. But, one would have to somehow show
that "develop by growth" implies complexity_rr. And I'm not sure that
can be done because "develop by growth" is pretty vague.
> That would imply a map of the
> deterministic plane sort of like Swiss cheese, with all individual
> emergent systems defining 'dark matter' islands of self-organization
> isolated from efficient causation by the 'white matter' of 'the cheese
> itself'... ..Whew!... ;-)
You've totally lost me, here. What is the "deterministic plane"?
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