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Phil Henshaw-2 on
URL: http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/FRIAM-and-causality-tp525337p525392.html
Glen & Marcus,
Well, hopefully returning to the main thread. The question seems to
concern an observation that information can be 'misused', letting people
capitalize on the interesting ways in which 'bad models' don't fit, to
display a 'reality' beyond the information which is both verifiably
present and verifiably explorable. To me that seems to have a bearing
on the sort of opposite principle of Niels Bohr. I believe Bohr's idea
was that because science works only with information that a fundamental
assumption of science must be that nothing exists which can not be
represented with information, ...and so, only immature thinkers could
possibly doubt that at the most fundamental level the structure of the
universe is that "God rolls dice", I think it goes.
Do you see that connection or any bits and pieces of it? Or are these
durable shapes in the fog between the models something different?
>
> Phil Henshaw on 12/06/2007 10:53 AM:
> > The hard part seems to be to take the first dark step to accepting
> > there might be a shape of another form that the measures
> are missing
> > (like the whole tree or person). It means looking for how to best
> > extend and complete your image based on the limited cast of the
> > measures at hand. Interpolation gone wild?? Free form projection
> > perhaps?? Sort of... You just gotta do something to make
> sense of the
> > larger continuities that develop in natural complex
> systems. What I
> > think we can see clearly is that our measures and models are highly
> > incomplete.
>
> I think we agree, which normally means there's nothing to
> talk about! [grin] But, I thought I'd throw out my term for
> what you're describing: "triangulation".
>
> It's not really triangulation, of course. But it's certainly
> more like triangulation than, say, population sampling.
> Perhaps we could call it "tuple-angulation"??? [grin]
>
> Here's a paper in which "we" (i.e. my outrageous rhetoric is
> reigned in and made coherent by the authors of the paper ;-)
> try to describe it:
>
http://www.biomedcentral.com/1752-0509/1/14/abstractSee Figure 1. This particular example is just one sub-type of the
general method we're talking about, here, though.
- --
glen e. p. ropella, 971-219-3846,
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