When is something complex

Posted by Alfredo Covaleda on
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To decide if a  phenomena is complex maybe It's necessary to identify
patterns of self organization in the "behavior" of the small units of
individual that conform the population of interest. Maybe It's necesary
to check the lack of centralized control and the existence of some
stable states.  I think these three features are the diagnostic features
of complexity. I guess....

I don't know what Hayes says but I'll think about these three features
for  health insurance, medicare, Social Security and Pensions in my
country... (in fact is not mine, belongs to the richest and the
multinationals.... anyhow).

Regards

Alfredo CV


health insurance,
Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, and the uninsured



Mikhail Gorelkin wrote:

>+1: I guess that complexity cannot be expressed adequately even in a term of computability. ? --Mikhail
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>>Just two thoughts: 1) it seems that complexity is a more fundamental category than linearity / non-linearity, which are parts of a
>>sophisticated ***formal*** system; 2) I assume there are types of complexity (and, therefore, many - I mean really many - types)
>>that cannot be expressed in any formal system (beyond linearity / non-linearity). Something like G?del's theorem. ? --Mikhail
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>>>Alfredo,
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>>>Good question.  In fact, the question of the day, for the Hayes talk.
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>>>Mysterious non linear effects in Hayes data leading to the conclusion good
>>>hearted efforts in one direction lead to the opposite result.
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>>>I guess "mysterious non-linearity" is a good clue that the phenomenon is
>>>complex.
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>>>Nick .
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>>>>Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 12:12:09 -0500
>>>>From: Alfredo CV <agbioinfo at gmx.net>
>>>>Subject: Re: [FRIAM] **today ** Lecture Wed Sep 12 12:30p: Jim Hayes -
>>>>Hedging Complex and Chaotic Private Health Insurance Markets and the
>>>>Uninsured
>>>>To: stephen.guerin at redfish.com, The Friday Morning Applied Complexity
>>>>Coffee Group <friam at redfish.com>
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>>>>Hi
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>>>>Of course it?s impossible to me to know details of the speeches you
>>>>usually have. In the distance I suppose that the first purpose of each
>>>>one of these speeches is to know and evaluate a broad type of cases
>>>>where complexity is used to understand phenomena. I wonder what makes
>>>>some phenomena suitable to be studied with a "complex" approach. What
>>>>must somebody take in consideration to decide that is studying a complex
>>>>phenomena?
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>>>>Regards,
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>>>>Alfredo CV
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