When is something complex

Posted by Mikhail Gorelkin on
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+1: I guess that complexity cannot be expressed adequately even in a term of computability. ? --Mikhail

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From: "Mikhail Gorelkin" <[hidden email]>
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> Just two thoughts: 1) it seems that complexity is a more fundamental category than linearity / non-linearity, which are parts of a
> sophisticated ***formal*** system; 2) I assume there are types of complexity (and, therefore, many - I mean really many - types)
> that cannot be expressed in any formal system (beyond linearity / non-linearity). Something like G?del's theorem. ? --Mikhail
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>> Alfredo,
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>> Good question.  In fact, the question of the day, for the Hayes talk.
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>> Mysterious non linear effects in Hayes data leading to the conclusion good
>> hearted efforts in one direction lead to the opposite result.
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>> I guess "mysterious non-linearity" is a good clue that the phenomenon is
>> complex.
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>> Nick .
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>>> Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 12:12:09 -0500
>>> From: Alfredo CV <agbioinfo at gmx.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] **today ** Lecture Wed Sep 12 12:30p: Jim Hayes -
>>> Hedging Complex and Chaotic Private Health Insurance Markets and the
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>>> Hi
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>>> Of course it?s impossible to me to know details of the speeches you
>>> usually have. In the distance I suppose that the first purpose of each
>>> one of these speeches is to know and evaluate a broad type of cases
>>> where complexity is used to understand phenomena. I wonder what makes
>>> some phenomena suitable to be studied with a "complex" approach. What
>>> must somebody take in consideration to decide that is studying a complex
>>> phenomena?
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>>>
>>> Regards,
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>>>
>>> Alfredo CV
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