indigenous culture disappeared. I horrified with it and thought It was
inmoral. Older members of the team of researchers where I was working
neutral. I think it's totally false. A scientific has an emotional and
these reasons can't be completely impartial. What is science for?
the underdeveloped world. I'm not a scientific but suppose I am, I take
data and develop a sophisticated model. Maybe, be sure, I'll conclude
brilliant like "Poverty is a emergent process"... wow, what a
conclusion!!!. If a guy which dream is to be high executive of the
emergent process". Maybe neither of us will be telling lies, of course
> Glen,
>
> It seems the world has had for a long time, and still has, oppression,
> poverty and poor education of segments of its population. Perhaps we
> can say that the developed world has managed to lower their own
> deprived segment size while the un(der)developed hasn't made so much
> progress. (Do you remember the TADtalk visualization on poverty?)
> It is considered by many, including you and me, that having deprived
> segments of the world's population is unethical because of the ethical
> standards we hold, have learned (and have been indoctrinated in, if
> you will).
>
> It remains ethical to work towards the reduction and elimination of
> these deprived segments - it's a big job. The argument is over how.
> I don't believe complexity science or studies and simulations of
> Complex Adaptive Systems (CAS) are yet sufficiently mature to help
> very far in this endeavor, but I'm not an expert in the field. It just
> seems that way from the perspective of an observer.
>
> That complexity studies indicate emergent behavior that is otherwise
> hard to predict and matches small systems (ie < 10^6 agents) behavior
> is *very* interesting and justifies further work. I don't think it
> separates cause and effect which is the primary reason for not using
> such studies for predictive purposes. And there is no evidence yet of
> successful studies or simulations that model social change, e.g. the
> French or Russian Revolutions. (Please correct me if this is wrong).
> So it seems that the problems of society (including trying to figure
> out what is the 'best' form of government) are not yet subject to
> relief from CAS studies. Many would not want one small class of
> experts to be responsible for this task anyway.
>
> Going back to your original ethical dilemma, if one agrees with what
> is ethical and one's political position doesn't then one will
> change/adjust/modify one's political position to maintain one's
> internal integrity. Labels and technicalities in definitions may be
> part of the problem:
>
> I am a democrat because I believe everyone should have a say in
> government,
> I am an environmentalist because we should take care of our biosphere
> so it remains habitable for us,
> I am a monarchist because I don't want to disband the Royal Family,
> I am libertarian because I don't want a Big Brother government,
> I am conservative because I think we shouldn't waste our resources,
> I am a republican in the sense I don't want to dismantle the US
> federal system and its three branches of government,
> I am a capitalist because I believe in free-markets,
> I am socialist because I believe everyone deserves basic health care,
> education, justice,
> I am a moderate because I believe we deserve a system of justice that
> can reign in man's excesses.
> etc
>
> If complexity science turns out to be a powerful technology it may
> take it's place along side fire, nuclear power and genetic
> engineering. All are amoral. It's how we use them for our benefit
> that will exercise our morals (ethics).
>
> Robert C
>
> Glen E. P. Ropella wrote:
>
>>The sides being a) the ethical consideration of
>>things like abject poverty, epidemic diseases, starvation, etc. and b)
>>the objective necessity that, with a population-based search method,
>>some individuals are destined for extrema, often very unpleasant
>>extrema. And it is especially difficult to simultaneously consider both
>>sides when the members of the population who are destined for horrible
>>extrema like AIDS or starvation are innocents who didn't have any chance
>>to _choose_ their extreme destiny.
>>
>>- --
>>glen e. p. ropella, 971-219-3846,
http://tempusdictum.com>>Power never takes a back step - only in the face of more power. -- Malcolm X
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