http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/In-the-theater-of-consciousness-tp3875347p3884906.html
> Jochen
>
> I am taking the liberty of moving our conversation into consciousness (See
> Jochen's note below). Perhaps the list can do a weekend seminar on it.
>
> thanks for the reference. I have down loaded it, and now I must read it.
>
> I confess I have done that snotty thing of looking in the references before
> I read the article ... to discover that Baars does not reference either of
> the pinacles of thinking concerning scientific metaphors, George Lakoff or
> Mary Brenda Hesse. I fear he will not have found Holt, nor even that guy
> who imagines consciousness as the chart table on large tanker trying to
> come into San Diego Harbor. (and then tells us in detail about the
> polynesians who conceived of navigation on the open water as a project of
> moving stars and islands, out of sight over the horizon) (can anybody
> remind me of who this was?)
>
> There is an arrogance of working scientists who, when they reach a certain
> stature in their fields, feel that they have earned the right to do
> philosophy, even though they have read very little of it. Something that,
> for instance, they would never attempt with quantum mechanics or
> meteorology. So, I am braced to be pissed off by Baars. I am made VERY
> cranky by "cognitive scientists."
>
> Somebody will now box my ears, and rightly, too. russ? I suppose I should
> stipulate right away that I an not much of a philosopher myself, but a
> philosopher-groupie, and that I am, in the bargain, a terrible scholar.
> [sigh][sound of air leaking out of a good rant].
>
> Nick
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> Nicholas S. Thompson
> Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Ethology,
> Clark University (
[hidden email])
>
http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/>
>
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>> [Original Message]
>> From: Jochen Fromm <
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>> To: <
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>> Date: 10/24/2009 3:42:06 PM
>> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] In the theater of consciousness
>>
>> Since the core of his theory is just a metaphor,
>> the easiest way to get access to it is maybe his paper
>> "Metaphors of consciousness and attention in the brain"
>>
http://bci.ucsd.edu/~pineda/COGS273/Overheads/Baars.pdf>> John Kennison said in June that one feature about
>> metaphors is that we must tolerate inconsistencies.
>> I am not sure how big the inconsistencies are here.
>>
>> However, it is surprising how much conversation
>> is going on privately between the members
>> of the list. Like unconscious thoughts..
>> If you reply to one of those unconscious mails,
>> it is drawn in the spotlight of attention.
>> What appears on the list are the conscious
>> thoughts of the group, the FRIAM mind, while
>> the private messages are "unconscious" ones.
>> If the FRIAM list discusses itself, it would
>> be a form of self-awareness or consciousness
>> for the FRIAM mind. I wonder if Baars' theory
>> covers this case - actors on stage discussing
>> the theater?
>>
>> Bernard Baars has written two books about
>> it which I plan to study in the next weeks,
>> "In the Theater of Consciousness: The Workspace
>> of the Mind" (Oxford University Press, 1997)
>> and "A Cognitive Theory of Consciousness"
>> (Cambridge University Press, 1988).
>>
>> -J.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Nicholas Thompson" <
[hidden email]>
>> To: "Jochen Fromm" <
[hidden email]>
>> Cc: "Owen Densmore" <
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>> Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2009 1:45 AM
>> Subject: FW: Re: [FRIAM] In the theater of consciousness
>>
>>
>>
>>> Owen has helpfully removed my excuse for not readiung Baars. As a man
>>>
> of
>
>>> mercy, and knowing of my limitations as a reader, could you help to a
>>> passage among the following that woudl get me quickly to the heart of
>>>
> his
>
>>> theory?
>>>
>>> Thanks so much,
>>>
>>> Nick
>>>
>>> Nicholas S. Thompson
>>> Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Ethology,
>>> Clark University (
[hidden email])
>>>
http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/>>>
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