Re: A question for the emergentists among you
Posted by
Russ Abbott on
Oct 13, 2009; 12:48am
URL: http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/A-question-for-the-emergentists-among-you-tp3799888p3811720.html
Glen, I have questions about your version of operators and properties.
- Operators. What do you mean by an operator? Would you give a few examples.
- Properties. It seems to me that one of the most basic properties is mass. Another is electric charge. Do you not see these as properties? Or is it your position that only primitive (and perhaps circular) properties make sense?
-- Russ A
On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 5:00 PM, glen e. p. ropella
<[hidden email]> wrote:
Thus spake glen e. p. ropella circa 09-10-12 04:41 PM:
> By contrast, a property is inherent in the system and exists regardless
> of any perspective (a.k.a stance) from which it may appear, be
> perceived, or be observed.
Just to be clear, I get this (perhaps peculiar) definition of "property"
from the IE root per and entry VI(3)(b) in American Heritage's list of
IE roots:
"b. proper, property; appropriate, expropriate, proprioception,
proprioceptor, proprium, from Latin proprius, one's own, particular (<
pr prv, in particular, from the ablative of prvus, single; pr, for; see
V. 4.)."
Note that "proprioceptive" is VERY close to what I mean by circular
causality, the difference being that I think proprioception is totally
ordered in time with the order being applied by the "self", which is
doing the perceiving. When I talk about circular causality, I'm talking
about a system with inherent ambiguity like that achieved by parallel,
distributed systems that can reach deadlock. Of course, what do I know
about things like proprioception? Well, nothing, of course, which is
why this is all speculation on my part. ;-)
The POINT is that "emergent phenomena" makes total sense to me whereas
with my definition of "property", "emergent property" sounds like total
nonsense to me.
--
glen e. p. ropella, 971-222-9095,
http://agent-based-modeling.com
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