Posted by
glen e. p. ropella-2 on
Oct 13, 2009; 12:00am
URL: http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/A-question-for-the-emergentists-among-you-tp3799888p3811552.html
Thus spake glen e. p. ropella circa 09-10-12 04:41 PM:
> By contrast, a property is inherent in the system and exists regardless
> of any perspective (a.k.a stance) from which it may appear, be
> perceived, or be observed.
Just to be clear, I get this (perhaps peculiar) definition of "property"
from the IE root per and entry VI(3)(b) in American Heritage's list of
IE roots:
"b. proper, property; appropriate, expropriate, proprioception,
proprioceptor, proprium, from Latin proprius, one's own, particular (<
pr prv, in particular, from the ablative of prvus, single; pr, for; see
V. 4.)."
Note that "proprioceptive" is VERY close to what I mean by circular
causality, the difference being that I think proprioception is totally
ordered in time with the order being applied by the "self", which is
doing the perceiving. When I talk about circular causality, I'm talking
about a system with inherent ambiguity like that achieved by parallel,
distributed systems that can reach deadlock. Of course, what do I know
about things like proprioception? Well, nothing, of course, which is
why this is all speculation on my part. ;-)
The POINT is that "emergent phenomena" makes total sense to me whereas
with my definition of "property", "emergent property" sounds like total
nonsense to me.
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