Re: A question for the emergentists among you

Posted by Russ Abbott on Oct 11, 2009; 6:22am
URL: http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/A-question-for-the-emergentists-among-you-tp3799888p3802428.html

Robert, Why do you hope my answer is not true?

-- Russ A

On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 10:10 PM, russell standish <[hidden email]> wrote:

On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 08:21:08PM -0600, Robert Holmes wrote:
> Wow, I post a question, go on a 6-hour hike and this is what I come back
> to...
>
> I still don't feel that I've got a straight answer to my question, other
> than Doug's (which I suspect is the most accurate) and Russ's (which I
> really hope isn't true). So let me try again: once I've established that a
> phenomenon is emergent by using a yet-to-be developed metric (Owen's
> formalism) or philosophic enquiry (Nick's & other's approach) - then what?
>
> In fact, let's not limit ourselves to the present situation (because I
> suspect that the current answer is simply "Nothing. Identifying emergence is
> an end in it's own right"). What would you *like* to be able to do once
> you'd attached the "emergent" label to a phenomenon? What's your best case,
> your grand vision? Imagine the best of all possible worlds and tell me: what
> would you want to be able to do once that "emergent" label gets attached?
>
> -- Robert

My very short answer is "compute the (informational) complexity of the
emergent thing". That's what I want to do.


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