Re: emergence

Posted by Douglas Roberts-2 on
URL: http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/emergence-tp3586728p3600039.html

Owen,

You're surprised?  Given this list's demonstrated history of having N definitions for any given buzz-term, where N == the subscribership of this list, X 2, X the day of the week.

Further, given that EMERGENCE is the Holy Grail warm fuzzy of all buzz-terms to have ever been uttered here.  Really.  Consider: Murrey Gell-Man.  SFI.  On the Edge of Chaos.  Flocking.  The Stock Market.  The Da Vinci Code.

Ok, that last one was a stretch.

But come on, really.  Given the number pure academics who hang out here who have never really done anything (meaning real-world, actually running, in-use, producing results, was paid for by a client and is actually being used for its intended purpose-type application) that could be construed as actually being On The Edge of Complexity, I don't really think that it is all that surprising that such a big deal is being made about "What is the definition of EMERGENCE?"  Imagine much smacking of lips at this point.

The above, of course, as compared to having written a paper about some fuzzily-defined COMPLEXITY concept.

Pause.

I've determined to my own satisfaction that the CAPS LOCK key on this new keyboard is working.  Please resume pontification.

--Doug

On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 5:34 PM, Owen Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:
On Sep 7, 2009, at 5:14 PM, Douglas Roberts wrote:
I think I'll have a Martini, while contemplating this opportunity.

--Doug

Sounds good to me too! Er.. I'll drink to that?

I have to say I'm a bit surprised at the difficulty with emergence.  Wikipedia has an OK shot at it:
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergence

I think it's simply the appearance within a time varying aggregate system of a feature not apparently derived from its components' interactions.

  -- Owen



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