Re: emergence

Posted by Douglas Roberts-2 on Sep 05, 2009; 8:49pm
URL: http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/emergence-tp3586728p3587909.html

I'm curious, Jochen: what do you mean by "solving the problem of" emergence?  Understanding it?  Will never happen -- everybody has their own 'correct' working definition of "emergence".  Define it?  Ditto. Recognizing it?  Ditto.

On the other hand, though, the image of a bunch of unemployed complexity scientists is oddly compelling...

--Doug

On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 2:28 PM, Jochen Fromm <[hidden email]> wrote:

Even if you have solved the problem of emergence
(was there any?) and all problems related to it,
are you sure that people want it to be solved?
90% of papers on complexity and social simulation
explicitly refer to emergence, i.e. emergent
processes, properties, dynamics, and patterns.
If you have indeed solved everything related to
emergence, everyone else working in complexity
science would become jobless immediately..

By the way did you notice that Libya's president
Gaddafi proposed the UN to abolish and dismantle
Switzerland? Somehow you have got to like this
eccentric behavior.. http://is.gd/2VI3H

-J.

----- Original Message ----- From: Russ Abbott
To: [hidden email] ; The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 10:02 PM
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] emergence

Do you mean Bedau and Humphreys?  Also, I hope you read my paper, "The reductionist blind spot." As I said I've solved the problem of emergence. It's no longer the mystery Bedau and Humphreys make it out to be. Consequently the papers in their book are fairly obsolete.  Of course you will make up your own minds about that. But at least give yourself the chance to reach that conclusion.

-- Russ

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