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Re: A leetle thermodynamics!

Posted by Victoria Hughes on Apr 11, 2009; 2:40am
URL: http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/A-leetle-thermodynamics-tp2618412p2619357.html

Hey, that is a pretty cool bunch of information.
Egyptian Ice, eh -  a new delicacy, only for heirophants.
How did they know to do that? Arabs?
Sounds Tom Robbins-y. Love it.
Tory

On Apr 10, 2009, at 3:25 PM, Peter Lissaman wrote:

> Solar cookers can break your heart, but not the laws of  
> thermodynamics. Consider this elementary fact, my dear Dr. Watson.  
> The insolation on earth near the equator is about 800 W/m2, it is  
> less at the end of the day, and much less after sunset.  For an  
> aperture of 0.1 m2, you getting about 80 W black body, ignoring  
> losses.  Concentrators have nuttin to do with it! This amounts to  
> about 270 BTU/hr from which you could boil a bit less than 2 pints  
> of water in an hour, assuming no losses.
> BTW, you can, with care and ceremony,  make ice in the Egyptian  
> deserts every cloudless night, by exploiting radiation to the stars  
> from shallow water trays, and careful control of nucleation,  
> convection and vaporization. In fact, the temple priests used to do  
> it on the flat roofs of the temples to impress the unwashed on the  
> bounty of whatever God they were scamming that week.   Much hoopla,  
> involving sanctified water brought up from the basement (where it  
> had got pretty cool, mixed with yesterday's ice), throwing holy dust  
> on the surface (to provide nucleation particles) and wafting the  
> surface at just the right time and rate with magic ostrich  
> featherwands to actually control heat transfer due to convection and  
> vapors. It's just thermodynamics, Nefertiti!  And if sometimes the  
> ice didn't form, it was because someone's mother-in-law was a  
> witch!  It's amazing what them religious guys know!!
> I usedta teach elementary courses in thermo in CA and the conversion  
> constants are from memory and only roughly correct.
>
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