semiotics, again?
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EricS' categorization of a cumulative hierarchy for reflective complexity reminded me of this:
A Linguist Responds to Cormac McCarthy http://nautil.us/issue/48/chaos/a-linguist-responds-to-cormac-mccarthy particularly the difference between a "hard-coded" referent (e.g. a hypothetical neuroanatomical structure tightly coupled to efficient language acquisition and use) versus an ambiguous/multi-valent referent. And that launched my typically vague meandering back to the semiotics 3-tuple: <sign,object,interpretant>. Freedom can occur in any of the three. A sign can refer to multiple objects, be interpreted by multiple interpretants, multiple objects can be signified by the same sign, etc. This leads directly to Sedivy's point about compositionality of signs and works its way back to my beef with the idea that subsystems like the BZ reaction (or any context-dependnt module) are complex systems. Unfortunately, I'm too ignorant of the fleshing of semiotics to know whether these freedoms (in any/all of the triad) have been explored. So, please hand me some clues if you have them! -- ☣ glen ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove
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Seems like Kanji would qualify as such an exploration. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kanji particularly where they talk about different "readings". (also see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_characters for a broader situating explanation) Somewhat sideways, one could look also at the Kana (signs in the domain of phonemes) and how they are pronounced slightly differently in different combinations by different speakers. Calligraphy might also qualify. Carl On Mon, Jun 5, 2017 at 6:26 PM, glen ☣ <[hidden email]> wrote: EricS' categorization of a cumulative hierarchy for reflective complexity reminded me of this: ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove |
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Excellent ideas! Thanks.
On June 5, 2017 8:01:43 PM PDT, Carl Tollander <[hidden email]> wrote: >Seems like Kanji would qualify as such an exploration. See >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kanji particularly where they talk about >different "readings". (also see >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_characters for a broader >situating >explanation) Somewhat sideways, one could look also at the Kana (signs >in >the domain of phonemes) and how they are pronounced slightly >differently in >different combinations by different speakers. > >Calligraphy might also qualify. > >Carl > > >On Mon, Jun 5, 2017 at 6:26 PM, glen ☣ <[hidden email]> wrote: > >> EricS' categorization of a cumulative hierarchy for reflective >complexity >> reminded me of this: >> >> A Linguist Responds to Cormac McCarthy >> >http://nautil.us/issue/48/chaos/a-linguist-responds-to-cormac-mccarthy >> >> particularly the difference between a "hard-coded" referent (e.g. a >> hypothetical neuroanatomical structure tightly coupled to efficient >> language acquisition and use) versus an ambiguous/multi-valent >referent. >> And that launched my typically vague meandering back to the semiotics >> 3-tuple: <sign,object,interpretant>. Freedom can occur in any of the >> three. A sign can refer to multiple objects, be interpreted by >multiple >> interpretants, multiple objects can be signified by the same sign, >etc. >> This leads directly to Sedivy's point about compositionality of signs >and >> works its way back to my beef with the idea that subsystems like the >BZ >> reaction (or any context-dependnt module) are complex systems. >> >> Unfortunately, I'm too ignorant of the fleshing of semiotics to know >> whether these freedoms (in any/all of the triad) have been explored. >So, >> please hand me some clues if you have them! -- ⛧glen⛧ ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove
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