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Hah, the ACA is just the beginning!
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I know it's offensive and disrespectful of me to feel this way, and especially to express it publicly. But part of me is excited about the possibility of this happening ... not necessarily excited in a good way... more like an adrenaline+cortisol sort of way. On the plus side, those who voted for him as an expression of frustration would definitely see the results of their actions. Yes, it's too bad stupidity isn't painful. But in this case, the stupidity of voting for Trump will be painful (and deadly). Those of us who kindasorta get off on pain won't suffer as much as those who really dislike it. Let's just hope (probably in vain) that those who voted for him recognize that they caused the pain and death. On 01/19/2017 08:31 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > http://thehill.com/policy/finance/314991-trump-team-prepares-dramatic-cuts -- ☣ glen ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove
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The numbers don't really add-up in that article (who would expect them to..) , but at the end of the day a populist isn't going to do things that make him unpopular. So, I'd expect entitlement spending to stay high and military spending to be even higher. It's all the rest of the stuff that which supports _civilization_ that can be expected to be destroyed. Like the endowment for the arts & humanities, public broadcasting, climate & health research, economic development funding (esp. for minorities), and so on. I expect a regime concerned with short term returns and a lot of meaningless (but destructive) drama to appeal to the most predatory and feral of his supporters.
-----Original Message----- From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of glen ? Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2017 10:47 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] ready for a bonfire? I know it's offensive and disrespectful of me to feel this way, and especially to express it publicly. But part of me is excited about the possibility of this happening ... not necessarily excited in a good way... more like an adrenaline+cortisol sort of way. On the plus side, those who voted for him as an expression of frustration would definitely see the results of their actions. Yes, it's too bad stupidity isn't painful. But in this case, the stupidity of voting for Trump will be painful (and deadly). Those of us who kindasorta get off on pain won't suffer as much as those who really dislike it. Let's just hope (probably in vain) that those who voted for him recognize that they caused the pain and death. On 01/19/2017 08:31 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > http://thehill.com/policy/finance/314991-trump-team-prepares-dramatic- > cuts -- ☣ glen ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove |
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Glen raises a good point. Experience es Daucet Est. Et Illuminus. Experience teaches, and lights the way to learn. I hold hope that people will learn. When and how is a whole other question and problem. In a strangely backwards Sith like way they might learn. Only time can show that. As to the Health Care Act? Some of my more how should I say....misguided friends want to see it gone because the **** use it that an they took ma' crappy assembly line job! (Wich is why I refuse to talk politics with them) We can only guess about what ifs. Such as: What if they made it an amendment such that everyone gets fucking awsome health coverage and is protected by FDR's varius social help systems including the very popular and somewhat sucessful Medicare and Medicade system? Much Merriment to all!!! On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 10:47 AM, glen ☣ <[hidden email]> wrote:
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What bothers me is why is it even a question about doing the right thing? oO Honor is honor and n my mind is their no question that by being respectul, friendly and helpful to your neighbores you will have alies for when YOU need someone. That's just basic. I suppose i'm odd like that. On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 11:00 AM, Gillian Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:
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(without spamming this) For example: why is it even a question to have a national health system? Honor says it's not. Just provide something fucking awsome. On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 11:03 AM, Gillian Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:
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I'm struggling with being respectful to my neighbor, who voted for Trump. He's a relatively moderate Fundamentalist Christian. When he retired, we yapped over half-done yard work about how corporatism and shareholder-first mentality destroyed his work environment. He's given me Christian books to try to help me at least emphathize with theists. I gave him my copy of Jefferson's Bible, which is as good a declaration of Jesus' ideas any skeptic could hope for. And when he started his post-retirement bus driving job for elementary school kids, we lamented the pervasiveness of misogyny, disrespect, and addiction to stimulus.
But now I'm super pissed at him for voting for that disgusting human Trump, for throwing us all under the bus just because his theism, ideology, perspective is fear- and hate-based. He doesn't admit that his entire life is fear- and hate-based, of course. But I successfully communicated it _once_ when he started complaining about the FFRF billboards that showed various ordinary people and said they were atheists. The way he described what he thought atheism was, the words he used, were hateful words. I stopped him, repeated his words, then replaced "atheist" with Christian and repeated them again. His eyes opened wide and he looked at the ground and said .... "Well, I guess I didn't realize how I sounded. I really don't feel that way about atheists." But that was the only occasion. Every other complaint he expresses is made with the righteous indignation that only comes from abject ignorance. It has been very difficult for me to treat him with respect over the last 2.5 months. I'm working on it. On 01/19/2017 10:03 AM, Gillian Densmore wrote: > What bothers me is why is it even a question about doing the right thing? oO Honor is honor and n my mind is their no question that by being respectul, friendly and helpful to your neighbores you will have alies for when YOU need someone. That's just basic. I suppose i'm odd like that. -- ☣ glen ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove
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"When he retired, we yapped over half-done yard work about how corporatism and shareholder-first mentality destroyed his work environment."
So, obviously, the thing to do is to vote to put corporate CEO types in charge of everything! Marcus ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove |
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I know, right? But pointing out fallacies in someone's reasoning rarely works. And, to be fair, fallacies are fallacious anyway: http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Fallacy_fallacy ... shout out to the other thread. >8^) A^¬A Hail Eris! On 01/19/2017 10:53 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > "When he retired, we yapped over half-done yard work about how corporatism and shareholder-first mentality destroyed his work environment." > > So, obviously, the thing to do is to vote to put corporate CEO types in charge of everything! -- ☣ glen ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove
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On 1/19/17 10:47 AM, glen ☣ wrote:
Glen ☣ -I know it's offensive and disrespectful of me to feel this way, and especially to express it publicly. But part of me is excited about the possibility of this happening ... not necessarily excited in a good way... more like an adrenaline+cortisol sort of way. On the plus side, those who voted for him as an expression of frustration would definitely see the results of their actions. Yes, it's too bad stupidity isn't painful. But in this case, the stupidity of voting for Trump will be painful (and deadly). I'm with you on this... in the sense that my own "mood swings" have a sort of rectifying circuit that makes times like this be the "bounce" in a rectified AC wave... I get juiced up on the "worst of times" in a way that is similar but different to the "best of times"... Even if I don't have a specific, obvious "call to action" to respond to it, the heightened sense that I need to be ready to take a problem head-on if it arises. Probably an entirely male thing, and maybe reflects my Viking ancestry and Rural roots which I'm not always proud of (each of the three). I sometimes just call this my "morbid fascination", but that is a more passive version than what I feel in "times like this". Sadly, that is rare... I had a very hard time accepting the pain and suffering I caused (to others even more than to myself) by voting Reagan in (the first time)... so I'm not holding my breath with the Trumpians in my life to realize what self-destructive mayhem they are raining down on *themselves*!Those of us who kindasorta get off on pain won't suffer as much as those who really dislike it. Let's just hope (probably in vain) that those who voted for him recognize that they caused the pain and death. There is nothing in Trump's personality nor in his actions as a business "mogul" or recent actions as a candidate nor PrezElect (PEOTUS?) lead me to believe he won't bite every hand that fed him... his apparent loyalty to his children is the only place I see him present any loyalty. I'm thinking Ivana and Marla both have plenty of undersanding of how unfaithful and fickle he can be. I'm sure there is one hell of a post-nuptial contract with both big sticks and carrots attached to keep THEM quiet! Funny how 8 years ago, the right wing-gun-nuts went out and bought ammunition like it was going out of style and the only "shortage" that came was from their paranoid hoarding. There are plenty who still seem to believe that *their gluttony* was not to blame for the shortages but a conspiracy by a secret muslim-non-american president to keep them from stocking up on their fetishes of freedom! There may be a similar (over)reaction of yet another kind this round, but I am not seeing it yet? I don't think the MegaWoman March is an example of that, but the Trumpians seem to think it is an offense... as if they are coming to dc to tear Trump off his podium and shred him with their bare teeth. Now wouldn't that be something? I'm trying to shift the focus of my cosmic angst toward supporting these women and the spirit of their mission rather than feeding the energies of the Wanker in Chief (to be) by stressing on he negative aspecst of what seems to be inevitable from his nature and actions. - Steve On 01/19/2017 08:31 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote:http://thehill.com/policy/finance/314991-trump-team-prepares-dramatic-cuts ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove |
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“There may be a similar (over)reaction of yet another kind this round, but I am not seeing it yet? I don't think the MegaWoman March is an example of that,
but the Trumpians seem to think it is an offense... as if they are coming to dc to tear Trump off his podium and shred him with their bare teeth.” $100 for the pay-per-view would help keep a lot of dentists busy. Marcus ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove |
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Heh, they don't need to use their teeth: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8VhtmFDzxg On 01/19/2017 12:26 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > “There may be a similar (over)reaction of yet another kind this round, but I am not seeing it yet? I don't think the MegaWoman March is an example of that, but the Trumpians seem to think it is an offense... as if they are coming to dc to tear Trump off his podium and shred him with their bare teeth.” > > * * > > $100 for the pay-per-view would help keep a lot of dentists busy. -- ☣ glen ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove
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Some of the obvious choices there have suspicious or known-bad advocacy with regard to political candidates. Nunes would be fine, but she's Brazilian. Anyway, as usual, you are hung-up on fair play.
-----Original Message----- From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of glen ? Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2017 1:33 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] ready for a bonfire? Heh, they don't need to use their teeth: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8VhtmFDzxg On 01/19/2017 12:26 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > “There may be a similar (over)reaction of yet another kind this round, but I am not seeing it yet? I don't think the MegaWoman March is an example of that, but the Trumpians seem to think it is an offense... as if they are coming to dc to tear Trump off his podium and shred him with their bare teeth.” > > * * > > $100 for the pay-per-view would help keep a lot of dentists busy. -- ☣ glen ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove |
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