rE DREAMING STUDY
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By the way, this research on DMT experiences could certainly be a partial for the study of dreams. Notice, however, that with the DMT, I guess, the "dream" would be going on in real time? So we could see the degree to which the dreamer behaved consistently with the dream, as he is relating it.
NIck Nicholas Thompson Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology Clark University [hidden email] https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ -----Original Message----- From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Prof David West Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2020 6:23 AM To: [hidden email] Subject: [FRIAM] God Taking (inhaling) DMT seems to induce a belief in "higher spirits" e.g. "God." https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/0269881120916143 Since human brains naturally produce DMT (some controversy about this assertion); that is why all human cultures — historic and prehistoric — incorporate beliefs in the supernatural. davew -- --- .-. . .-.. --- -.-. -.- ... -..-. .- .-. . -..-. - .... . -..-. . ... ... . -. - .. .- .-.. -..-. .-- --- .-. -.- . .-. ... FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ -- --- .-. . .-.. --- -.-. -.- ... -..-. .- .-. . -..-. - .... . -..-. . ... ... . -. - .. .- .-.. -..-. .-- --- .-. -.- . .-. ... FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ |
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I believe there is evidence that dreams happen out of real-time (much
faster?) and even out-of-order. As an avid dreamer in multiple modes, I don't have any evidence to contradict that, and in fact have plenty of experiences where the real/physical world has impinged on my dream-world wherein my dream included an elaborate "explanation" for the real-world event which required minutes (or more) of subjective-dream-time to build up a pretext for.... This frames this type of dream experience (for me) as a sort of post-hoc storytelling-as-experience. > By the way, this research on DMT experiences could certainly be a partial for the study of dreams. Notice, however, that with the DMT, I guess, the "dream" would be going on in real time? So we could see the degree to which the dreamer behaved consistently with the dream, as he is relating it. > > NIck -- --- .-. . .-.. --- -.-. -.- ... -..-. .- .-. . -..-. - .... . -..-. . ... ... . -. - .. .- .-.. -..-. .-- --- .-. -.- . .-. ... FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ |
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On 5/20/20 9:39 AM, Steve Smith wrote:
> This frames this type of dream experience (for me) as a sort of post-hoc > storytelling-as-experience. Same here. It reminds me that someone, here, recently mentioned famous people coming up with solutions to problems while distracted with other tasks (was it Erdös?) and of the falsificationist concept (Popper?) focusing on science being *open*. It doesn't really matter AT ALL where an idea comes from. What matters is that it's formulated and tested. So that's yet another reason a dream study would only be well-designed as a study of story-telling. There are implications in that for things like intelligence, creativity, innovation, and education. If we assume everyone has brain farts like Einstein's or Penrose's or whoever, then what matters is these people's ability to *harness* (or harvest?) those brain farts and tell a story about them. -- ☣ uǝlƃ -- --- .-. . .-.. --- -.-. -.- ... -..-. .- .-. . -..-. - .... . -..-. . ... ... . -. - .. .- .-.. -..-. .-- --- .-. -.- . .-. ... FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/
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In the one study I have done of dreaming, we had people write down stories just after awakening and asked people to tell them apart from dreams written down just after awakening and from phony dreams written while fully awake. It was just a pilot study, but the fake dreams were easier to distinguish than the non=dream awakening stories. I should haste to say, it was a long time ago.
N Nicholas Thompson Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology Clark University [hidden email] https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ -----Original Message----- From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of u?l? ? Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2020 10:47 AM To: FriAM <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] rE DREAMING STUDY On 5/20/20 9:39 AM, Steve Smith wrote: > This frames this type of dream experience (for me) as a sort of > post-hoc storytelling-as-experience. Same here. It reminds me that someone, here, recently mentioned famous people coming up with solutions to problems while distracted with other tasks (was it Erdös?) and of the falsificationist concept (Popper?) focusing on science being *open*. It doesn't really matter AT ALL where an idea comes from. What matters is that it's formulated and tested. So that's yet another reason a dream study would only be well-designed as a study of story-telling. There are implications in that for things like intelligence, creativity, innovation, and education. If we assume everyone has brain farts like Einstein's or Penrose's or whoever, then what matters is these people's ability to *harness* (or harvest?) those brain farts and tell a story about them. -- ☣ uǝlƃ -- --- .-. . .-.. --- -.-. -.- ... -..-. .- .-. . -..-. - .... . -..-. . ... ... . -. - .. .- .-.. -..-. .-- --- .-. -.- . .-. ... FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ -- --- .-. . .-.. --- -.-. -.- ... -..-. .- .-. . -..-. - .... . -..-. . ... ... . -. - .. .- .-.. -..-. .-- --- .-. -.- . .-. ... FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ |
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