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Some friends I made in Amsterdam live in a commune — 30-32 of them. They had to go into quarantine six weeks ago with two members of the group testing positive for COVID. So they were pretty confident that they would all get the disease while in quarantine.
Reading that the virus does best in cool moist environments they decided to take daily doses of MDMA — which raises body temperature and dehydrates. When the left quarantine last week, all of them tested positive for the antibodies but none of them had suffered symptoms beyond mild sniffles. Proof positive that MDMA prevents COVID from getting past your nasal / mouth tissue where is causes minimal harm. Right? davew -- --- .-. . .-.. --- -.-. -.- ... -..-. .- .-. . -..-. - .... . -..-. . ... ... . -. - .. .- .-.. -..-. .-- --- .-. -.- . .-. ... FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ |
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So what is MDMA? 3,4-Methylenedioxymethamphetamine, commonly known as ecstasy or molly, is a psychoactive drug primarily used for recreational purposes. The desired effects include altered sensations, increased energy, empathy, as well as pleasure. When taken by mouth, effects begin in 30 to 45 minutes and last 3 to 6 hours. Wikipedia And how do we think it works in the body's multiple systems? Tom On Sun, May 24, 2020, 6:45 AM Prof David West <[hidden email]> wrote: Some friends I made in Amsterdam live in a commune — 30-32 of them. They had to go into quarantine six weeks ago with two members of the group testing positive for COVID. So they were pretty confident that they would all get the disease while in quarantine. -- --- .-. . .-.. --- -.-. -.- ... -..-. .- .-. . -..-. - .... . -..-. . ... ... . -. - .. .- .-.. -..-. .-- --- .-. -.- . .-. ... FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ |
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If these friends wanted to do a useful experiment, they would have a control group. It sounds like they all got lit.
If these 32 friends are mostly less than 60 years old, no deaths would be expected. Or they could be some cohort that for whatever yet-to-be-quantified genetic, epigenetic, metabolic condition reason, or that they lack co-morbidities. I do realize you are trolling, like Nick's alter ego, but IIRC you were someone posting about hydroxychloroquine. There are many plausible drugs that could impact COVID-19, and some already taken by vulnerable populations. Hypertension drugs, like ACE inhibitors were at first thought be potentially dangerous, but then contrary evidence became available. One might as well as suggest that COVID-19 symptoms be treated with coffee! After all, it is a mild bronchodilator as well as a diuretic. The only way to have any confidence that treatments are safe and effective is systematic testing. Marcus On 5/24/20, 5:46 AM, "Friam on behalf of Prof David West" <[hidden email] on behalf of [hidden email]> wrote: Some friends I made in Amsterdam live in a commune — 30-32 of them. They had to go into quarantine six weeks ago with two members of the group testing positive for COVID. So they were pretty confident that they would all get the disease while in quarantine. Reading that the virus does best in cool moist environments they decided to take daily doses of MDMA — which raises body temperature and dehydrates. When the left quarantine last week, all of them tested positive for the antibodies but none of them had suffered symptoms beyond mild sniffles. Proof positive that MDMA prevents COVID from getting past your nasal / mouth tissue where is causes minimal harm. Right? davew -- --- .-. . .-.. --- -.-. -.- ... -..-. .- .-. . -..-. - .... . -..-. . ... ... . -. - .. .- .-.. -..-. .-- --- .-. -.- . .-. ... FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ -- --- .-. . .-.. --- -.-. -.- ... -..-. .- .-. . -..-. - .... . -..-. . ... ... . -. - .. .- .-.. -..-. .-- --- .-. -.- . .-. ... FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ |
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David, This is how I know you are trolling me: Proof positive that MDMA prevents COVID from getting past your nasal / mouth tissue where it causes minimal harm. Quite apart from whether MDMA prevents COVID pneumonia, this is a wonderful example of intelligent people taking science into their own hands, a phenomenon that we discussed briefly during zFRIAM on zFRIDAY. All of us do that! Why? Or more interestingly: When? Nick Nicholas Thompson Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology Clark University https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ -----Original Message----- Some friends I made in Amsterdam live in a commune — 30-32 of them. They had to go into quarantine six weeks ago with two members of the group testing positive for COVID. So they were pretty confident that they would all get the disease while in quarantine. Reading that the virus does best in cool moist environments they decided to take daily doses of MDMA — which raises body temperature and dehydrates. When the left quarantine last week, all of them tested positive for the antibodies but none of them had suffered symptoms beyond mild sniffles. Proof positive that MDMA prevents COVID from getting past your nasal / mouth tissue where is causes minimal harm. Right? davew -- --- .-. . .-.. --- -.-. -.- ... -..-. .- .-. . -..-. - .... . -..-. . ... ... . -. - .. .- .-.. -..-. .-- --- .-. -.- . .-. ... FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ -- --- .-. . .-.. --- -.-. -.- ... -..-. .- .-. . -..-. - .... . -..-. . ... ... . -. - .. .- .-.. -..-. .-- --- .-. -.- . .-. ... FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ |
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As Nick and Marcus noted, I was trolling / teasing with this post. MDMA, aka Molly and Ecstacy is a mood altering, mildly psychogenic party drug. Illegal, even in Europe, but there is is not prosecuted much. Can't say how the drug affects the body's multiple systems because next to zero research is being done — is is frowned upon research like all psychedelics. My friends' experience was interesting but anecdotal and probably coincidental. davew On Sun, May 24, 2020, at 10:39 AM, Tom Johnson wrote:
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Nick, I will echo Frank's admonition, "do not take Ecstacy." But ... if you do, take it with LSD — called "candy tripping" — synergistic effects, plus pretty much guarantees that you will not have a "bad trip." davew On Sun, May 24, 2020, at 10:44 AM, [hidden email] wrote:
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Dave, I was expecting you to ask, "Have you ever tried it, Frank?" I would have said that I hadn't but that my daughter had. Unintentionally. She and her "boyfriend", Stevie Ray (eye roll), went to a party where Mollies were being used. Somebody spiked her drink with something. On the way home she started having convulsions so Stevie called 911. An ambulance showed up and so did the police. Daughter went to the hospital and was released feeling well. Stevie was taken to jail on an outstanding warrant. She's doing fine years later. --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Sun, May 24, 2020, 5:55 PM Prof David West <[hidden email]> wrote:
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Sorry your daughter had that experience. I would bet large sums that it was not the MDMA that caused the harm. It was either overheating of the brain (MDMA does raise body temperature and if physical activity, like dancing, is involved it can cause blood/body temps above 101 degrees. Or, it was a "cutting agent" as both Molly and Ecstasy in pill form are very unlikely to be pure. If you know, did the hospital treatment include cold compresses and drinking water? If yes, they probably determined that her symptoms were simply overheating. happy she is OK and boyfriend is out of her and your lives davew On Sun, May 24, 2020, at 6:22 PM, Frank Wimberly wrote:
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I don't know about whether cold compresses were used. In those days the less we knew the better. The guy said to her when he was arrested, "You ruined my life". Talk about a thought disorder. On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 6:43 PM Prof David West <[hidden email]> wrote:
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