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Roger Critchlow-2

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Twitter brought me a link to the 18F code of conduct this evening, via New Zealand:

https://github.com/18F/code-of-conduct/blob/master/code-of-conduct.md

which leads me to wonder about the goals and purposes of organizations and the ways they challenge members and other organizations. It's fun, too, to wander around github figuring out who 18F is, what they do, and why they might make an issue of how they want to work together with each other and their clients.

Organizations then can be a continuation of "personhood, a game for two or more" into "affiliations, the categories we choose to join" as opposed to the categories people get thrown into like jail cells.

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Marcus G. Daniels

Re: organizations

“It's fun, too, to wander around github figuring out who 18F is, what they do, and why they might make an issue of how they want to work together with each other and their clients.”

Heh. I think a bot generated their pages from a dictionary of agile-speak.

Marcus

Roger Critchlow-2

Re: organizations

I dunno, you think there's a connection between diversity/intersectionality and agile design? They always harp on hearing the quiet voice that's telling the important truth. Seems like agile's main point is that the clients really want something much simpler than they can be talked into, but you have to convince all the coders that that is true, or else they'll build, or fail to build, something much more complicated than necessary. So you organize as a team of lemmings and crowd source the design to death.

When life gives you lemmings, scrum. (Life is usually going to give you lemmings.)

-- rec --

On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 12:11 AM, Marcus Daniels <[hidden email]> wrote:

“It's fun, too, to wander around github figuring out who 18F is, what they do, and why they might make an issue of how they want to work together with each other and their clients.”

Heh. I think a bot generated their pages from a dictionary of agile-speak.

Marcus

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Marcus G. Daniels

Re: organizations

Two groups that start with the premise that the whole (a team) is more than the sum of its parts and will FOREVER advocate social collaboration tools and behavioral guidelines ad nauseam to make sure that the social but otherwise ordinary team members will always be able to delay coherent technical planning, or (worse!) edgy debates where any proposition could be shown to be poorly motivated or false.

From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Roger Critchlow
Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2017 11:36 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] organizations

When life gives you lemmings, scrum. (Life is usually going to give you lemmings.)

-- rec --

On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 12:11 AM, Marcus Daniels <[hidden email]> wrote:

“It's fun, too, to wander around github figuring out who 18F is, what they do, and why they might make an issue of how they want to work together with each other and their clients.”

Heh. I think a bot generated their pages from a dictionary of agile-speak.

Marcus

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Steve Smith

Re: organizations

In reply to this post by Roger Critchlow-2

Roger -

Bravo!

"When life gives you lemmngs, scrum"

Some of your one-liners are better than the great Yogi's

- Steve

On 3/19/17 11:36 PM, Roger Critchlow wrote:

I dunno, you think there's a connection between diversity/intersectionality and agile design? They always harp on hearing the quiet voice that's telling the important truth. Seems like agile's main point is that the clients really want something much simpler than they can be talked into, but you have to convince all the coders that that is true, or else they'll build, or fail to build, something much more complicated than necessary. So you organize as a team of lemmings and crowd source the design to death.

When life gives you lemmings, scrum. (Life is usually going to give you lemmings.)

-- rec --

On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 12:11 AM, Marcus Daniels <[hidden email]> wrote:

“It's fun, too, to wander around github figuring out who 18F is, what they do, and why they might make an issue of how they want to work together with each other and their clients.”

Heh. I think a bot generated their pages from a dictionary of agile-speak.

Marcus

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Marcus G. Daniels

Re: organizations

When life gives you lemmings, find a cliff and a large body of water..

From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Steven A Smith
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 7:09 AM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] organizations

Roger -

Bravo!

"When life gives you lemmngs, scrum"

Some of your one-liners are better than the great Yogi's

- Steve

On 3/19/17 11:36 PM, Roger Critchlow wrote:

I dunno, you think there's a connection between diversity/intersectionality and agile design? They always harp on hearing the quiet voice that's telling the important truth. Seems like agile's main point is that the clients really want something much simpler than they can be talked into, but you have to convince all the coders that that is true, or else they'll build, or fail to build, something much more complicated than necessary. So you organize as a team of lemmings and crowd source the design to death.

When life gives you lemmings, scrum. (Life is usually going to give you lemmings.)

-- rec --

On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 12:11 AM, Marcus Daniels <[hidden email]> wrote:

“It's fun, too, to wander around github figuring out who 18F is, what they do, and why they might make an issue of how they want to work together with each other and their clients.”

Heh. I think a bot generated their pages from a dictionary of agile-speak.

Marcus

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Roger Critchlow-2

Re: organizations

In reply to this post by Marcus G. Daniels

I think you're overstating the hazard here. For ordinary people, with ordinary management, attempting to complete an ordinary software project, let them scrum and they'll do better than they will with an ordinary tyrant micromanaging the project. If you have a heroic software problem and a budget appropriate to the problem, then by all means bring in the big guns and do trial by technical criticism. But even then, there are standards of conduct that are understood to apply. Coming into the meetings like Donald Trump would make for an edgier debate than you're talking about, no?

-- rec --

On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 2:04 AM, Marcus Daniels <[hidden email]> wrote:

Two groups that start with the premise that the whole (a team) is more than the sum of its parts and will FOREVER advocate social collaboration tools and behavioral guidelines ad nauseam to make sure that the social but otherwise ordinary team members will always be able to delay coherent technical planning, or (worse!) edgy debates where any proposition could be shown to be poorly motivated or false.

From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Roger Critchlow
Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2017 11:36 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] organizations

I dunno, you think there's a connection between diversity/intersectionality and agile design? They always harp on hearing the quiet voice that's telling the important truth. Seems like agile's main point is that the clients really want something much simpler than they can be talked into, but you have to convince all the coders that that is true, or else they'll build, or fail to build, something much more complicated than necessary. So you organize as a team of lemmings and crowd source the design to death.

When life gives you lemmings, scrum. (Life is usually going to give you lemmings.)

-- rec --

On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 12:11 AM, Marcus Daniels <[hidden email]> wrote:

“It's fun, too, to wander around github figuring out who 18F is, what they do, and why they might make an issue of how they want to work together with each other and their clients.”

Heh. I think a bot generated their pages from a dictionary of agile-speak.

Marcus

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Merle Lefkoff-2

Re: organizations

Hey, Roger. Any ideas for how to recruit 18F for the Revolution? We need all the "inside disrupters" we can get!

On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 8:48 AM, Roger Critchlow <[hidden email]> wrote:

I think you're overstating the hazard here. For ordinary people, with ordinary management, attempting to complete an ordinary software project, let them scrum and they'll do better than they will with an ordinary tyrant micromanaging the project. If you have a heroic software problem and a budget appropriate to the problem, then by all means bring in the big guns and do trial by technical criticism. But even then, there are standards of conduct that are understood to apply. Coming into the meetings like Donald Trump would make for an edgier debate than you're talking about, no?

-- rec --

On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 2:04 AM, Marcus Daniels <[hidden email]> wrote:

Two groups that start with the premise that the whole (a team) is more than the sum of its parts and will FOREVER advocate social collaboration tools and behavioral guidelines ad nauseam to make sure that the social but otherwise ordinary team members will always be able to delay coherent technical planning, or (worse!) edgy debates where any proposition could be shown to be poorly motivated or false.

From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Roger Critchlow
Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2017 11:36 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] organizations

I dunno, you think there's a connection between diversity/intersectionality and agile design? They always harp on hearing the quiet voice that's telling the important truth. Seems like agile's main point is that the clients really want something much simpler than they can be talked into, but you have to convince all the coders that that is true, or else they'll build, or fail to build, something much more complicated than necessary. So you organize as a team of lemmings and crowd source the design to death.

When life gives you lemmings, scrum. (Life is usually going to give you lemmings.)

-- rec --

On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 12:11 AM, Marcus Daniels <[hidden email]> wrote:

“It's fun, too, to wander around github figuring out who 18F is, what they do, and why they might make an issue of how they want to work together with each other and their clients.”

Heh. I think a bot generated their pages from a dictionary of agile-speak.

Marcus

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Merle Lefkoff, Ph.D.
President, Center for Emergent Diplomacy
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Visiting Professor in Integrative Peacebuilding

Saint Paul University

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Marcus G. Daniels

Re: organizations

In reply to this post by Roger Critchlow-2

“For ordinary people, with ordinary management, attempting to complete an ordinary software project, let them scrum and they'll do better than they will with an ordinary tyrant micromanaging the project.”

It all sounds pretty ordinary.

“If you have a heroic software problem and a budget appropriate to the problem, then by all means bring in the big guns and do trial by technical criticism. But even then, there are standards of conduct that are understood to apply. Coming into the meetings like Donald Trump would make for an edgier debate than you're talking about, no?”

Someone like that can be taken down by a faster or stronger dog. The problem is that he has the lemmings.. Lemmings are the problem.

Marcus

Roger Critchlow-2

Re: organizations

On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 11:51 AM, Marcus Daniels <[hidden email]> wrote:

Someone like that can be taken down by a faster or stronger dog. The problem is that he has the lemmings.. Lemmings are the problem.

I don't get it, is it detailed technical planning or dog fighting? Or some kind of mixed martial art?

-- rec --

Marcus G. Daniels

Re: organizations

Roger writes:

“I don't get it, is it detailed technical planning or dog fighting? Or some kind of mixed martial art?”

Imagine you work in team made of up of unmotivated, uninterested or untalented individuals. Assume it is impossible to fire or move them out of the way. They mainly want predictability they can get out of the office by 5:00pm every day; they want a process for everything so that they can measure-up and continue to get steady raises. The last thing these lemmings want are individuals running ahead with proposals they would have to work to understand. That could have bad consequences like having their expertise or productivity questioned and them moving lower in the curve.

One that happens in this situation is that people don’t want to have deep technical conversations. They want shallow, easily-digestible guidance and at a pace that isn’t going to cause them to miss their daughter’s soccer practice or forget to water their garden or whatever it is they do care about. They want it put on their `agile feed’ so they can turn their crank and get their points for the day. Other people may mainly care about their `emotional health’ and this will involve similar considerations about never feel condescended to, even if they aren’t be condescended to, but are simply experiencing ignorance.

The desire to enforce norms on group behavior invariably involves isolating the top performers. Much of the prattle in that 18F markup file is about how to do that without looking like a total moron. It’s the same kind of note-comparing social contagion where one Trump voter convinces the other that it is okay to engage in a bizarre act of national sabotage.

The question is, who makes the rules and for what purpose? The lemmings will want the line between normal and abnormal behavior in one area, and the frontier-pushers will want it in another. An organization that gives the lemmings what they want will have more stability, but they probably won’t be innovators. They may even fail to be competitive.

Frontier-pushers aren’t going to like Trump-like behavior, because Trump-like behavior is stupid and leads to more dittohead lemmings. So it is also in their interest to find a faster or bigger dog to take down uncivil (in their definition) behavior too. Depending on their culture they may do this quietly or by making an example out of that individual in front of everyone.

Marcus

Steve Smith

Re: organizations

Marcus wrote:

Roger writes:

“I don't get it, is it detailed technical planning or dog fighting? Or some kind of mixed martial art?”

Imagine you work in team made of up of unmotivated, uninterested or untalented individuals. Assume it is impossible to fire or move them out of the way. They mainly want predictability they can get out of the office by 5:00pm every day; they want a process for everything so that they can measure-up and continue to get steady raises. The last thing these lemmings want are individuals running ahead with proposals they would have to work to understand. That could have bad consequences like having their expertise or productivity questioned and them moving lower in the curve.

One that happens in this situation is that people don’t want to have deep technical conversations. They want shallow, easily-digestible guidance and at a pace that isn’t going to cause them to miss their daughter’s soccer practice or forget to water their garden or whatever it is they do care about. They want it put on their `agile feed’ so they can turn their crank and get their points for the day. Other people may mainly care about their `emotional health’ and this will involve similar considerations about never feel condescended to, even if they aren’t be condescended to, but are simply experiencing ignorance.

Sounds just like what I remember from when I worked at LANL? Oh wait!

The desire to enforce norms on group behavior invariably involves isolating the top performers.   Much of the prattle in that 18F markup file is about how to do that without looking like a total moron.   It’s the same kind of note-comparing social contagion where one Trump voter convinces the other that it is okay to engage in a bizarre act of national sabotage.

The question is, who makes the rules and for what purpose?   The lemmings will want the line between normal and abnormal behavior in one area, and the frontier-pushers will want it in another. An organization that gives the lemmings what they want will have more stability, but they probably won’t be innovators. They may even fail to be competitive.

Frontier-pushers aren’t going to like Trump-like behavior, because Trump-like behavior is stupid and leads to more dittohead lemmings.   So it is also in their interest to find a faster or bigger dog to take down uncivil (in their definition) behavior too.   Depending on their culture they may do this quietly or by making an example out of that individual in front of everyone.

I've heard rumor that there was an official memo at LANL (a month or more ago) forbidding political discussions at work? Can you confirm or deny?

- Steve

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Vladimyr Burachynsky

Re: organizations

In reply to this post by Roger Critchlow-2

Marcus hit it on the head but the only detectable difference is that one structure is deluded by hypocrisy and the other is stripped down naked.

Both stink up the air. But the gullible facilitate our problem on both sides of the northern border. If anyone even suggests a northern wall send them to the lunatic

asylum as soon as possible. Trump is frightening the chickens in the coop like a skunk wandering through the night.

I once shot a skunk and will never forget the stench… Never again, even the rifle had to be disposed .

That stench is like a chemical burn and hurts like an Alkaline burn. You southerners are welcome to all the skunks that you want.

Don’t abuse the lemmings because of Walt Disney’s hoax and film trickery. They are actually quite sensible.

Why do organizations protect skunks…

vib

From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Roger Critchlow
Sent: March-20-17 1:26 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] organizations

On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 11:51 AM, Marcus Daniels <[hidden email]> wrote:

Someone like that can be taken down by a faster or stronger dog. The problem is that he has the lemmings.. Lemmings are the problem.

I don't get it, is it detailed technical planning or dog fighting? Or some kind of mixed martial art?

-- rec --

Frank Wimberly-2

Re: organizations

Speaking of shooting skunks: in the summer of 1962 I worked on a ranch about 20 miles south of Santa Fe. There was a young divorcee who lived nearby who freaked out when she saw strangers and she left a note on our truck threatening to shoot us. I consulted her neighbor, who was a professor of English Literature at UNM. He said that if she knew who we were she would welcome having us around (two college students on summer break). He suggested that I stop by and introduce myself. I did so late that afternoon and I took along a 12 gauge shotgun which I discretely left outside. After a pleasant conversation I walked back to our place by taking a shortcut over a mesa. At some point I saw a skunk about 50 feet in front of me. If I had had a rifle I'd have made a hasty retreat. But instead I aimed carefully and dispatched the skunk. The last days of the wild west. Today I'd probably be arrested for felony abuse of an animal, perhaps with justification.

Thank you for your indulgence.

Frank

Frank Wimberly
Phone (505) 670-9918

On Mar 21, 2017 8:47 PM, "Vladimyr" <[hidden email]> wrote:

Marcus hit it on the head but the only detectable difference is that one structure is deluded by hypocrisy and the other is stripped down naked.
Both stink up the air. But the gullible facilitate our problem on both sides of the northern border. If anyone even suggests a northern wall send them to the lunatic
asylum as soon as possible. Trump is frightening the chickens in the coop like a skunk wandering through the night.

I once shot a skunk and will never forget the stench… Never again, even the rifle had to be disposed .
That stench is like a chemical burn and hurts like an Alkaline burn. You southerners are welcome to all the skunks that you want.

Don’t abuse the lemmings because of Walt Disney’s hoax and film trickery. They are actually quite sensible.

Why do organizations protect skunks…
vib

From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Roger Critchlow
Sent: March-20-17 1:26 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] organizations

On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 11:51 AM, Marcus Daniels <[hidden email]> wrote:

Someone like that can be taken down by a faster or stronger dog. The problem is that he has the lemmings.. Lemmings are the problem.

I don't get it, is it detailed technical planning or dog fighting? Or some kind of mixed martial art?

-- rec --

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Marcus G. Daniels

Re: organizations

“At some point I saw a skunk about 50 feet in front of me. If I had had a rifle I'd have made a hasty retreat. But instead I aimed carefully and dispatched the skunk. The last days of the wild west.”

I once had a hot tub which I used mostly to lower my blood pressure after day (after day) of frustration at work. There may have been some drinking involved too. A common visitor late at night was a neighborhood skunk who’d poke its nose over the side. Alarming at first but I came to look forward from visits from that little guy.

Not sure how it works in to Vladimyr’s metaphor.

Marcus

Vladimyr Burachynsky

Re: organizations

In reply to this post by Frank Wimberly-2

To the only other self admitted Skunk Shooter,

I was much closer, the gun , a .22 cal , the muzzle was inside a wire cage, my guess I was less than a barrel length away. The shot completely severed the spinal cord at the base of the skull.

Skunks do not require a brain to complete this instinctive discharge. Or perhaps the brain while intact serves as a restraint.

So sudden decapitation will not work as I once thought.

Maybe skunk guns should have very long barrels… Just a thought.

I was also a graduate biology student collecting blood samples to test for Virus antibodies.

We need a Tee Shirt when we go carousing. First chapter of Skunk Shooters International…

vib

From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Frank Wimberly
Sent: March-21-17 10:24 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] organizations

Thank you for your indulgence.

Frank

Frank Wimberly
Phone (505) 670-9918

On Mar 21, 2017 8:47 PM, "Vladimyr" <[hidden email]> wrote:

Marcus hit it on the head but the only detectable difference is that one structure is deluded by hypocrisy and the other is stripped down naked.

Both stink up the air. But the gullible facilitate our problem on both sides of the northern border. If anyone even suggests a northern wall send them to the lunatic

asylum as soon as possible. Trump is frightening the chickens in the coop like a skunk wandering through the night.

I once shot a skunk and will never forget the stench… Never again, even the rifle had to be disposed .

That stench is like a chemical burn and hurts like an Alkaline burn. You southerners are welcome to all the skunks that you want.

Don’t abuse the lemmings because of Walt Disney’s hoax and film trickery. They are actually quite sensible.

Why do organizations protect skunks…

vib

On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 11:51 AM, Marcus Daniels <[hidden email]> wrote:

Someone like that can be taken down by a faster or stronger dog. The problem is that he has the lemmings.. Lemmings are the problem.

I don't get it, is it detailed technical planning or dog fighting? Or some kind of mixed martial art?

-- rec --

Vladimyr Burachynsky

Re: organizations

In reply to this post by Marcus G. Daniels

Marcus, That sounds preferable to Trapping the little devil. They get really mean if you get in their way.

So clearly a little tactful negotiation is preferable , as I recall my advisor at that time flipped a coin to determine

who would have to approach the cage trap and release him.

I lost.

vib

He is probably still laughing…

From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Marcus Daniels
Sent: March-21-17 10:46 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] organizations

Not sure how it works in to Vladimyr’s metaphor.

Marcus

Frank Wimberly-2

Re: organizations

In reply to this post by Vladimyr Burachynsky

Yes, as I said, I was approximately 50 feet away. I was afraid to approach the body even though it was clearly dead. I told the aforementioned professor what I had done and he expressed his disapproval. I was afraid to run away rather than to shoot thinking that might provoke the skunk. Mea Maxima culpa. I am happy to join your organization.

Frank

Frank Wimberly
Phone (505) 670-9918

On Mar 22, 2017 6:28 PM, "Vladimyr" <[hidden email]> wrote:

To the only other self admitted Skunk Shooter,

I was much closer, the gun , a .22 cal , the muzzle was inside a wire cage, my guess I was less than a barrel length away. The shot completely severed the spinal cord at the base of the skull.
Skunks do not require a brain to complete this instinctive discharge. Or perhaps the brain while intact serves as a restraint.

So sudden decapitation will not work as I once thought.
Maybe skunk guns should have very long barrels… Just a thought.

I was also a graduate biology student collecting blood samples to test for Virus antibodies.
We need a Tee Shirt when we go carousing. First chapter of Skunk Shooters International…
vib

From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Frank Wimberly
Sent: March-21-17 10:24 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] organizations

Speaking of shooting skunks: in the summer of 1962 I worked on a ranch about 20 miles south of Santa Fe. There was a young divorcee who lived nearby who freaked out when she saw strangers and she left a note on our truck threatening to shoot us. I consulted her neighbor, who was a professor of English Literature at UNM. He said that if she knew who we were she would welcome having us around (two college students on summer break). He suggested that I stop by and introduce myself. I did so late that afternoon and I took along a 12 gauge shotgun which I discretely left outside. After a pleasant conversation I walked back to our place by taking a shortcut over a mesa. At some point I saw a skunk about 50 feet in front of me. If I had had a rifle I'd have made a hasty retreat. But instead I aimed carefully and dispatched the skunk. The last days of the wild west. Today I'd probably be arrested for felony abuse of an animal, perhaps with justification.

Thank you for your indulgence.

Frank
Frank Wimberly
Phone <a href="tel:(505)%20670-9918" value="+15056709918" target="_blank">(505) 670-9918

On Mar 21, 2017 8:47 PM, "Vladimyr" <[hidden email]> wrote:
Marcus hit it on the head but the only detectable difference is that one structure is deluded by hypocrisy and the other is stripped down naked.
Both stink up the air. But the gullible facilitate our problem on both sides of the northern border. If anyone even suggests a northern wall send them to the lunatic
asylum as soon as possible. Trump is frightening the chickens in the coop like a skunk wandering through the night.

I once shot a skunk and will never forget the stench… Never again, even the rifle had to be disposed .
That stench is like a chemical burn and hurts like an Alkaline burn. You southerners are welcome to all the skunks that you want.

Don’t abuse the lemmings because of Walt Disney’s hoax and film trickery. They are actually quite sensible.

Why do organizations protect skunks…
vib

From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Roger Critchlow
Sent: March-20-17 1:26 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] organizations

On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 11:51 AM, Marcus Daniels <[hidden email]> wrote:

Someone like that can be taken down by a faster or stronger dog. The problem is that he has the lemmings.. Lemmings are the problem.

I don't get it, is it detailed technical planning or dog fighting? Or some kind of mixed martial art?

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Nick Thompson

Re: organizations

In reply to this post by Vladimyr Burachynsky

When setting a have-a-heart trap, it is always wise to attach a LONG cord to the release mechanism, just in case you catch something you don’t want to.

Nicholas S. Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

Clark University

http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Vladimyr
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 6:21 PM
To: 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] organizations

Marcus, That sounds preferable to Trapping the little devil. They get really mean if you get in their way.

So clearly a little tactful negotiation is preferable , as I recall my advisor at that time flipped a coin to determine

who would have to approach the cage trap and release him.

I lost.

vib

He is probably still laughing…

From: Friam [[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Marcus Daniels
Sent: March-21-17 10:46 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] organizations

Not sure how it works in to Vladimyr’s metaphor.

Marcus

Vladimyr Burachynsky

Re: organizations

Nick,

If memory serves me, we used Tomahawk Traps and they required both hands to set or open.

Nowadays I rescue spiders from my bathtub and transplant milkweed to feed Monarchs.

Maybe as people change so should organizations which seem saturated with hormones.

Hormones , booze, heavy machinery and loud music make for a difficult time when thinking about consequences.

Men only learn to think long after it was needed.

vib

From: Friam [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Nick Thompson
Sent: March-22-17 10:16 PM
To: 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group'
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] organizations

When setting a have-a-heart trap, it is always wise to attach a LONG cord to the release mechanism, just in case you catch something you don’t want to.

Nicholas S. Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

Clark University

http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

From: Friam [[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Vladimyr
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 6:21 PM
To: 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] organizations

Marcus, That sounds preferable to Trapping the little devil. They get really mean if you get in their way.

So clearly a little tactful negotiation is preferable , as I recall my advisor at that time flipped a coin to determine

who would have to approach the cage trap and release him.

I lost.

vib

He is probably still laughing…

From: Friam [[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Marcus Daniels
Sent: March-21-17 10:46 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] organizations

Not sure how it works in to Vladimyr’s metaphor.

Marcus