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on the obustness of globalism

Open thread for mathematicians on the immigration executive order
Terance Tao

> Even if the order was withdrawn immediately, there is no longer an assurance, even for nationals not initially impacted by that order, that some similar abrupt and major change in the rules for entry to the United States could not occur, for instance for a visitor who has already gone through the lengthy visa application process and background checks, secured the appropriate visa, and is already in flight to the country. This is already affecting upcoming or ongoing mathematical conferences or programs in the US, with many international speakers (including those from countries not directly affected by the order) now cancelling their visit, either in protest or in concern about their ability to freely enter and leave the country.

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Owen Densmore

Re: on the obustness of globalism

Administrator

We just got a lot dumber.

(Terence Tao? Wow! Didn't know many of us followed him. Fascinating guy.)

Sadly, the ban has now killed someone:

http://www.fox2detroit.com/news/local-news/232856168-story

On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 2:50 PM, glen ☣ <[hidden email]> wrote:

Open thread for mathematicians on the immigration executive order
Terance Tao

> Even if the order was withdrawn immediately, there is no longer an assurance, even for nationals not initially impacted by that order, that some similar abrupt and major change in the rules for entry to the United States could not occur, for instance for a visitor who has already gone through the lengthy visa application process and background checks, secured the appropriate visa, and is already in flight to the country. This is already affecting upcoming or ongoing mathematical conferences or programs in the US, with many international speakers (including those from countries not directly affected by the order) now cancelling their visit, either in protest or in concern about their ability to freely enter and leave the country.

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Roger Critchlow-2

Re: on the obustness of globalism

If you read the linked article, you'll see that this Mom died several days before the executive order was signed.

-- rec --

On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 10:44 PM, Owen Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:

We just got a lot dumber.

(Terence Tao? Wow! Didn't know many of us followed him. Fascinating guy.)

Sadly, the ban has now killed someone:

http://www.fox2detroit.com/news/local-news/232856168-story

On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 2:50 PM, glen ☣ <[hidden email]> wrote:

Open thread for mathematicians on the immigration executive order
Terance Tao

> Even if the order was withdrawn immediately, there is no longer an assurance, even for nationals not initially impacted by that order, that some similar abrupt and major change in the rules for entry to the United States could not occur, for instance for a visitor who has already gone through the lengthy visa application process and background checks, secured the appropriate visa, and is already in flight to the country. This is already affecting upcoming or ongoing mathematical conferences or programs in the US, with many international speakers (including those from countries not directly affected by the order) now cancelling their visit, either in protest or in concern about their ability to freely enter and leave the country.

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Steve Smith

Re: on the obustness of globalism

REC -

Why do "we" do this? I mean the part about stretching the truth to support our point, only to undermine our point?

I don't have any trouble extrapolating from THIS story that the ban and attendant delays *could have* caused the death in the way implied, but that isn't the same and just feeds the whole "culture of fake news".

I don't know how many of my anti-Trumpian friends have reported things to me that sounded outrageous, only to follow it up and discover that while there was a grain of truth in it, what they reported was some kind of distortion that undermined *their* credibility more than it undermined the position of their opposition?

- SAS

On 2/2/17 1:55 AM, Roger Critchlow wrote:

If you read the linked article, you'll see that this Mom died several days before the executive order was signed.

-- rec --

On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 10:44 PM, Owen Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:

We just got a lot dumber.

(Terence Tao? Wow! Didn't know many of us followed him. Fascinating guy.)

Sadly, the ban has now killed someone:

http://www.fox2detroit.com/news/local-news/232856168-story

On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 2:50 PM, glen ☣ <[hidden email]> wrote:

Open thread for mathematicians on the immigration executive order
Terance Tao

> Even if the order was withdrawn immediately, there is no longer an assurance, even for nationals not initially impacted by that order, that some similar abrupt and major change in the rules for entry to the United States could not occur, for instance for a visitor who has already gone through the lengthy visa application process and background checks, secured the appropriate visa, and is already in flight to the country. This is already affecting upcoming or ongoing mathematical conferences or programs in the US, with many international speakers (including those from countries not directly affected by the order) now cancelling their visit, either in protest or in concern about their ability to freely enter and leave the country.

--
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Gary Schiltz-4

Re: on the obustness of globalism

Homo sapiens dramaticus

On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 8:53 AM, Steven A Smith <[hidden email]> wrote:

REC -

Why do "we" do this? I mean the part about stretching the truth to support our point, only to undermine our point?

I don't have any trouble extrapolating from THIS story that the ban and attendant delays *could have* caused the death in the way implied, but that isn't the same and just feeds the whole "culture of fake news".

I don't know how many of my anti-Trumpian friends have reported things to me that sounded outrageous, only to follow it up and discover that while there was a grain of truth in it, what they reported was some kind of distortion that undermined *their* credibility more than it undermined the position of their opposition?

- SAS

On 2/2/17 1:55 AM, Roger Critchlow wrote:
If you read the linked article, you'll see that this Mom died several days before the executive order was signed.

-- rec --

On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 10:44 PM, Owen Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:

We just got a lot dumber.

(Terence Tao? Wow! Didn't know many of us followed him. Fascinating guy.)

Sadly, the ban has now killed someone:

http://www.fox2detroit.com/news/local-news/232856168-story

On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 2:50 PM, glen ☣ <[hidden email]> wrote:

Open thread for mathematicians on the immigration executive order
Terance Tao

> Even if the order was withdrawn immediately, there is no longer an assurance, even for nationals not initially impacted by that order, that some similar abrupt and major change in the rules for entry to the United States could not occur, for instance for a visitor who has already gone through the lengthy visa application process and background checks, secured the appropriate visa, and is already in flight to the country. This is already affecting upcoming or ongoing mathematical conferences or programs in the US, with many international speakers (including those from countries not directly affected by the order) now cancelling their visit, either in protest or in concern about their ability to freely enter and leave the country.

--
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Steve Smith

Re: on the obustness of globalism

Homo sapiens dramaticus

And we *wonder* at why we live in such a polarized society?

I learned early in life that if a canoe is tipping to one side, you don't lean out the other, you drop to the bottom center, lower your center of gravity. Why is that so hard in sociopolitical contexts? Unless you want to tip into the drink!

The point of paddling a canoe is to explore and enjoy the world, so you don't want to spend it huddled in the bottom. I suppose the sociopolitical equivalent is maintaining a moderate/centrist stance on *everything*.

Maybe it is a bad metaphor.

On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 8:53 AM, Steven A Smith <[hidden email]> wrote:
REC -

Why do "we" do this? I mean the part about stretching the truth to support our point, only to undermine our point?

I don't have any trouble extrapolating from THIS story that the ban and attendant delays *could have* caused the death in the way implied, but that isn't the same and just feeds the whole "culture of fake news".

I don't know how many of my anti-Trumpian friends have reported things to me that sounded outrageous, only to follow it up and discover that while there was a grain of truth in it, what they reported was some kind of distortion that undermined *their* credibility more than it undermined the position of their opposition?

- SAS

On 2/2/17 1:55 AM, Roger Critchlow wrote:
If you read the linked article, you'll see that this Mom died several days before the executive order was signed.

-- rec --

On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 10:44 PM, Owen Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:

We just got a lot dumber.

(Terence Tao? Wow! Didn't know many of us followed him. Fascinating guy.)

Sadly, the ban has now killed someone:

http://www.fox2detroit.com/news/local-news/232856168-story

On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 2:50 PM, glen ☣ <[hidden email]> wrote:

Open thread for mathematicians on the immigration executive order
Terance Tao

> Even if the order was withdrawn immediately, there is no longer an assurance, even for nationals not initially impacted by that order, that some similar abrupt and major change in the rules for entry to the United States could not occur, for instance for a visitor who has already gone through the lengthy visa application process and background checks, secured the appropriate visa, and is already in flight to the country. This is already affecting upcoming or ongoing mathematical conferences or programs in the US, with many international speakers (including those from countries not directly affected by the order) now cancelling their visit, either in protest or in concern about their ability to freely enter and leave the country.

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Marcus G. Daniels

Re: on the obustness of globalism

Steve writes:

"I learned early in life that if a canoe is tipping to one side, you don't lean out the other, you drop to the bottom center, lower your center of gravity. Why is that so hard in sociopolitical contexts? Unless you want to tip into the drink!”

Except that if we tip it over, we can swim over to that jet boat that is a hundred meters away. (See the thread on the 10 meter diving platform.)

Marcus

 

Steve Smith

Re: on the obustness of globalism

Steve writes:

"I learned early in life that if a canoe is tipping to one side, you don't lean out the other, you drop to the bottom center, lower your center of gravity. Why is that so hard in sociopolitical contexts? Unless you want to tip into the drink!”

Except that if we tip it over, we can swim over to that jet boat that is a hundred meters away. (See the thread on the 10 meter diving platform.)

I think I get that part.... I grew up with a fascination with post-apocalyptic worlds and sci-fi themes of transcendence. I still have a soft spot for it. We have in our local circle (but surely not on this list) a near-inner circle Singularian, the futurist/author Steven Kotler: http://diamandis.com/abundance

I put more stock in complexity thinking than exponential thinking.

Your logic is the only hope I hold out for this Trumpian regime. He is a loose cannon who is in the process of clearing the deck of our ship of state. I just hope he manages to do it without snapping off the masts and the wheelhouse, and then careens overboard before he sinks the entire ship, rats and all. Maybe there IS an awesome, high-tech ship-of-state or ship-of-society just over the horizon or beyond the fog of culture-wars ready to sweep us up and jet us off into some unspecified utopian future, but I'm not seeing it.

I also outgrew utopian fantasies when I realized they were a thin disguise for a dystopia. I'm still fascinated with the dual of utopia/dystopia, but I'm not easily taken in by the idea that when you can't react fast enough *already* to the things appearing on the road in your headlights, that you should just *drive faster*.

- Steve

Marcus

 

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Marcus G. Daniels

Re: on the obustness of globalism

Steve writes:

"I just hope he manages to do it without snapping off the masts and the wheelhouse, and then careens overboard before he sinks the entire ship, rats and all. Maybe there IS an awesome, high-tech ship-of-state or ship-of-society just over the horizon or beyond the fog of culture-wars ready to sweep us up and jet us off into some unspecified utopian future, but I'm not seeing it."

I mean: All they know is their canoe, and somehow even though they see all these other kinds of boats on the river, they can't imagine anything but huddling in the center of their little canoe in the wind and rain. Fellow canoers, let us build vessels with shelter! No, you say?

At some point some subset will build those vessels, but they'll call them arks.

Marcus

From: Friam <[hidden email]> on behalf of Steven A Smith <[hidden email]>
Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2017 9:09:41 AM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] on the obustness of globalism

Steve writes:

"I learned early in life that if a canoe is tipping to one side, you don't lean out the other, you drop to the bottom center, lower your center of gravity. Why is that so hard in sociopolitical contexts? Unless you want to tip into the drink!”

Except that if we tip it over, we can swim over to that jet boat that is a hundred meters away. (See the thread on the 10 meter diving platform.)

Marcus

 

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Owen Densmore

Re: on the obustness of globalism

Administrator

Roger: thanks for catching that. It was added after I saw the tweet and the article. At least the False News was avoided, but sheesh, when do you know something like that is fully baked.

-- Owen

On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 9:45 AM, Marcus Daniels <[hidden email]> wrote:

Steve writes:

"I just hope he manages to do it without snapping off the masts and the wheelhouse, and then careens overboard before he sinks the entire ship, rats and all. Maybe there IS an awesome, high-tech ship-of-state or ship-of-society just over the horizon or beyond the fog of culture-wars ready to sweep us up and jet us off into some unspecified utopian future, but I'm not seeing it."

I mean: All they know is their canoe, and somehow even though they see all these other kinds of boats on the river, they can't imagine anything but huddling in the center of their little canoe in the wind and rain. Fellow canoers, let us build vessels with shelter! No, you say?

At some point some subset will build those vessels, but they'll call them arks.

Marcus

From: Friam <[hidden email]> on behalf of Steven A Smith <[hidden email]>
Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2017 9:09:41 AM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] on the obustness of globalism
Steve writes:

"I learned early in life that if a canoe is tipping to one side, you don't lean out the other, you drop to the bottom center, lower your center of gravity. Why is that so hard in sociopolitical contexts? Unless you want to tip into the drink!”

Except that if we tip it over, we can swim over to that jet boat that is a hundred meters away. (See the thread on the 10 meter diving platform.)

I think I get that part.... I grew up with a fascination with post-apocalyptic worlds and sci-fi themes of transcendence. I still have a soft spot for it. We have in our local circle (but surely not on this list) a near-inner circle Singularian, the futurist/author Steven Kotler: http://diamandis.com/abundance

I put more stock in complexity thinking than exponential thinking.

Your logic is the only hope I hold out for this Trumpian regime. He is a loose cannon who is in the process of clearing the deck of our ship of state. I just hope he manages to do it without snapping off the masts and the wheelhouse, and then careens overboard before he sinks the entire ship, rats and all. Maybe there IS an awesome, high-tech ship-of-state or ship-of-society just over the horizon or beyond the fog of culture-wars ready to sweep us up and jet us off into some unspecified utopian future, but I'm not seeing it.

I also outgrew utopian fantasies when I realized they were a thin disguise for a dystopia. I'm still fascinated with the dual of utopia/dystopia, but I'm not easily taken in by the idea that when you can't react fast enough *already* to the things appearing on the road in your headlights, that you should just *drive faster*.

- Steve
Marcus
 
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Owen Densmore

Re: on the obustness of globalism

Administrator

Yup:

POSTED:JAN 31 2017 05:33PM EST

UPDATED:FEB 02 2017 09:38AM EST

On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 9:49 AM, Owen Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:

Roger: thanks for catching that. It was added after I saw the tweet and the article. At least the False News was avoided, but sheesh, when do you know something like that is fully baked.

-- Owen
On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 9:45 AM, Marcus Daniels <[hidden email]> wrote:
Steve writes:

"I just hope he manages to do it without snapping off the masts and the wheelhouse, and then careens overboard before he sinks the entire ship, rats and all. Maybe there IS an awesome, high-tech ship-of-state or ship-of-society just over the horizon or beyond the fog of culture-wars ready to sweep us up and jet us off into some unspecified utopian future, but I'm not seeing it."

I mean: All they know is their canoe, and somehow even though they see all these other kinds of boats on the river, they can't imagine anything but huddling in the center of their little canoe in the wind and rain. Fellow canoers, let us build vessels with shelter! No, you say?

At some point some subset will build those vessels, but they'll call them arks.

Marcus

From: Friam <[hidden email]> on behalf of Steven A Smith <[hidden email]>
Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2017 9:09:41 AM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] on the obustness of globalism
Steve writes:

"I learned early in life that if a canoe is tipping to one side, you don't lean out the other, you drop to the bottom center, lower your center of gravity. Why is that so hard in sociopolitical contexts? Unless you want to tip into the drink!”

Except that if we tip it over, we can swim over to that jet boat that is a hundred meters away. (See the thread on the 10 meter diving platform.)

I think I get that part.... I grew up with a fascination with post-apocalyptic worlds and sci-fi themes of transcendence. I still have a soft spot for it. We have in our local circle (but surely not on this list) a near-inner circle Singularian, the futurist/author Steven Kotler: http://diamandis.com/abundance

I put more stock in complexity thinking than exponential thinking.

Your logic is the only hope I hold out for this Trumpian regime. He is a loose cannon who is in the process of clearing the deck of our ship of state. I just hope he manages to do it without snapping off the masts and the wheelhouse, and then careens overboard before he sinks the entire ship, rats and all. Maybe there IS an awesome, high-tech ship-of-state or ship-of-society just over the horizon or beyond the fog of culture-wars ready to sweep us up and jet us off into some unspecified utopian future, but I'm not seeing it.

I also outgrew utopian fantasies when I realized they were a thin disguise for a dystopia. I'm still fascinated with the dual of utopia/dystopia, but I'm not easily taken in by the idea that when you can't react fast enough *already* to the things appearing on the road in your headlights, that you should just *drive faster*.

- Steve
Marcus
 
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gepr

Re: on the obustness of globalism

In reply to this post by Owen Densmore

On 02/02/2017 08:49 AM, Owen Densmore wrote:
> when do you know something like that is fully baked.

Well, we know the answer to that is "never". We only need it to be baked enough for some use case. If your use case is to trick someone into thinking something that's false, then the baking need only go so far as Gary's point, to satisfy the need for drama. This is why avid readers insist that books engage your imagination more than TV or movies. It's a blessing and a curse that our minds fill in the blanks for us.

http://www.brainhq.com/brain-resources/brain-teasers/scrambled-text

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joshua@stigmergic.net

Re: on the obustness of globalism

Interesting article regarding making an argument based on the values of your opposition instead of your own. Makes sense but as is pointed out so hard to follow through on because why argue if not because of your own values? Where are our shared values? Are these the ones at the bottom center of the canoe?

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2017/02/the-simple-psychological-trick-to-political-persuasion/515181/?utm_source=atlfb

On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 10:53 AM, glen ☣ <[hidden email]> wrote:

On 02/02/2017 08:49 AM, Owen Densmore wrote:
> when do you know something like that is fully baked.

Well, we know the answer to that is "never". We only need it to be baked enough for some use case. If your use case is to trick someone into thinking something that's false, then the baking need only go so far as Gary's point, to satisfy the need for drama. This is why avid readers insist that books engage your imagination more than TV or movies. It's a blessing and a curse that our minds fill in the blanks for us.

http://www.brainhq.com/brain-resources/brain-teasers/scrambled-text

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Marcus G. Daniels

Re: on the obustness of globalism

“Where are our shared values?”

Once imposed, they will be our shared values.

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/317542-trump-vows-to-destroy-the-johnson-amendment

Robert J. Cordingley

Re: on the obustness of globalism

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - possibly paraphrased from a 1935 Sinclair Lewis novel.

On 2/2/17 11:23 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote:

“Where are our shared values?”

Once imposed, they will be our shared values.

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/317542-trump-vows-to-destroy-the-johnson-amendment
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Re: on the obustness of globalism

In reply to this post by gepr

Looking at PISA results, you can see that most of today's talented boys were born and are growing outside USA. Your current government is closing doors to everybody, included talented ones, while your teenager's results in Maths and Science and Comprehensive Reading in PISA tests are pitiful considering who you are. For sure, your local talent will not be enough to maintain leadership in new knowledge and innovation. I guess, that 's the risk for your future.

On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 4:50 PM, glen ☣ <[hidden email]> wrote:

Open thread for mathematicians on the immigration executive order
Terance Tao

> Even if the order was withdrawn immediately, there is no longer an assurance, even for nationals not initially impacted by that order, that some similar abrupt and major change in the rules for entry to the United States could not occur, for instance for a visitor who has already gone through the lengthy visa application process and background checks, secured the appropriate visa, and is already in flight to the country. This is already affecting upcoming or ongoing mathematical conferences or programs in the US, with many international speakers (including those from countries not directly affected by the order) now cancelling their visit, either in protest or in concern about their ability to freely enter and leave the country.

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Marcus G. Daniels

Re: on the obustness of globalism

Find a conflict-of-interest or a way to profit from government regulation, and you’ll find a way to predict the Trump administration. Remember this?

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/startup-aims-skirt-visa-limits-cruise-ship-foreign/story?id=18958353

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On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 4:50 PM, glen ☣ <[hidden email]> wrote:

Open thread for mathematicians on the immigration executive order
Terance Tao

> Even if the order was withdrawn immediately, there is no longer an assurance, even for nationals not initially impacted by that order, that some similar abrupt and major change in the rules for entry to the United States could not occur, for instance for a visitor who has already gone through the lengthy visa application process and background checks, secured the appropriate visa, and is already in flight to the country. This is already affecting upcoming or ongoing mathematical conferences or programs in the US, with many international speakers (including those from countries not directly affected by the order) now cancelling their visit, either in protest or in concern about their ability to freely enter and leave the country.

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☣ glen

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