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doug carmichael

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Good to have joined you for the last part of Zoom yesterday. It was suggested that I post more of an introduction . I have been a long time lurker, maybe five years.

So few more things about me.

After my post doc at Harvard I went toMexico an spent three years with Erich Fromm at his Mexican Psychoanalytic Institute that sadly no longer exists.

I also worked with the White House and John Koskinen on y2k, which was an exposure to more institutions than could have been had any other way.

bio at https://carmichaelconversation.com/bio/

blog at https://carmichaelconversation.com

draft book Gardenworld Politics at

https://medium.com/gardenworld-politics/gardenworld-politics-chapters-and-blog-b8b428d84553

Gardenworld Politics says that we need a vision of the society to rebuild post virus and in the midst of climate issues. The book emerged out of that quest.

Thoughts more than welcome.

virtual hugs

doug.

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thompnickson2

Re: intro

Dear Doug,

Our overlap at Berkeley is exact!

I was a behaviorist (French, Beach, Sarbin, Riley, Eichorn, Slobin, etc.) I took also courses in Anthro (Washburn).

I mentioned the coffee urns because it was a testimony to how highly-motivated, highly motivated, inattentive humans are incapable of learning simple discriminations a rat would learn in a microsecond. There were two gigantic coffee urns; one had coffee made, and we could take from it; the other was making coffee, and was forbidden. One had a red light, the other, none. To this day, I do not know whether the red light stood for “forbidden” or “ready!”. It wasn’t just me. People were forever decanting palid coffee into their Styrofoam cups and cursing the result. Some days the “forbidden” urn was a third empty by the time it was ready for use.

We watched through the huge windows as the BioChem Building rose to our west and obscured our view of the Golden Gate.

You probably knew Dave Nichols.

If curious, bio-info contained in My Descent from the Monkey, A Utopian Approach to Ecology and Development, and An Interview With an Old New Realist.

I will look at your stuff over the weekend.

Welcome aboard!

Nick

Nicholas Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology

Clark University

[hidden email]

https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/

From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of doug carmichael
Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2020 9:49 AM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: [FRIAM] intro

Good to have joined you for the last part of Zoom yesterday. It was suggested that I post more of an introduction . I have been a long time lurker, maybe five years.

So few more things about me.

After my post doc at Harvard I went toMexico an spent three years with Erich Fromm at his Mexican Psychoanalytic Institute that sadly no longer exists.

I also worked with the White House and John Koskinen on y2k, which was an exposure to more institutions than could have been had any other way.

bio at https://carmichaelconversation.com/bio/

blog at https://carmichaelconversation.com

draft book Gardenworld Politics at

https://medium.com/gardenworld-politics/gardenworld-politics-chapters-and-blog-b8b428d84553

Gardenworld Politics says that we need a vision of the society to rebuild post virus and in the midst of climate issues. The book emerged out of that quest.

Thoughts more than welcome.

virtual hugs

doug.

doug carmichael

Re: intro

And here we are still doing complexity coffee!

My committee was Jonas langer, sarbin, crutchfield, slobin and the linguist from linguistics, i forget her name, tall woman.

I hated the architecture and feel for tolman hall. The worst of sq ft per dollar approach to design.

Sent from my iPhone [hidden email]

On Jun 27, 2020, at 10:26 AM, [hidden email] wrote:

Dear Doug,

Our overlap at Berkeley is exact!

I was a behaviorist (French, Beach, Sarbin, Riley, Eichorn, Slobin, etc.) I took also courses in Anthro (Washburn).

I mentioned the coffee urns because it was a testimony to how highly-motivated, highly motivated, inattentive humans are incapable of learning simple discriminations a rat would learn in a microsecond. There were two gigantic coffee urns; one had coffee made, and we could take from it; the other was making coffee, and was forbidden. One had a red light, the other, none. To this day, I do not know whether the red light stood for “forbidden” or “ready!”. It wasn’t just me. People were forever decanting palid coffee into their Styrofoam cups and cursing the result. Some days the “forbidden” urn was a third empty by the time it was ready for use.

We watched through the huge windows as the BioChem Building rose to our west and obscured our view of the Golden Gate.

You probably knew Dave Nichols.

If curious, bio-info contained in My Descent from the Monkey, A Utopian Approach to Ecology and Development, and An Interview With an Old New Realist.

I will look at your stuff over the weekend.

Welcome aboard!

Nick

Nicholas Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
Clark University
[hidden email]
https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/

From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of doug carmichael
Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2020 9:49 AM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: [FRIAM] intro

Good to have joined you for the last part of Zoom yesterday. It was suggested that I post more of an introduction . I have been a long time lurker, maybe five years.

So few more things about me.

After my post doc at Harvard I went toMexico an spent three years with Erich Fromm at his Mexican Psychoanalytic Institute that sadly no longer exists.

I also worked with the White House and John Koskinen on y2k, which was an exposure to more institutions than could have been had any other way.

bio at https://carmichaelconversation.com/bio/

blog at https://carmichaelconversation.com

draft book Gardenworld Politics at

https://medium.com/gardenworld-politics/gardenworld-politics-chapters-and-blog-b8b428d84553

Gardenworld Politics says that we need a vision of the society to rebuild post virus and in the midst of climate issues. The book emerged out of that quest.

Thoughts more than welcome.

virtual hugs

doug.

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Frank Wimberly-2

Re: intro

Mary Haas?

---
Frank C. Wimberly
140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
Santa Fe, NM 87505

505 670-9918
Santa Fe, NM

On Sat, Jun 27, 2020, 2:14 PM Doug <[hidden email]> wrote:

And here we are still doing complexity coffee!

My committee was Jonas langer, sarbin, crutchfield, slobin and the linguist from linguistics, i forget her name, tall woman.

I hated the architecture and feel for tolman hall. The worst of sq ft per dollar approach to design.

Sent from my iPhone [hidden email]

On Jun 27, 2020, at 10:26 AM, [hidden email] wrote:

Dear Doug,

Our overlap at Berkeley is exact!

I was a behaviorist (French, Beach, Sarbin, Riley, Eichorn, Slobin, etc.) I took also courses in Anthro (Washburn).

I mentioned the coffee urns because it was a testimony to how highly-motivated, highly motivated, inattentive humans are incapable of learning simple discriminations a rat would learn in a microsecond. There were two gigantic coffee urns; one had coffee made, and we could take from it; the other was making coffee, and was forbidden. One had a red light, the other, none. To this day, I do not know whether the red light stood for “forbidden” or “ready!”. It wasn’t just me. People were forever decanting palid coffee into their Styrofoam cups and cursing the result. Some days the “forbidden” urn was a third empty by the time it was ready for use.

We watched through the huge windows as the BioChem Building rose to our west and obscured our view of the Golden Gate.

You probably knew Dave Nichols.

If curious, bio-info contained in My Descent from the Monkey, A Utopian Approach to Ecology and Development, and An Interview With an Old New Realist.

I will look at your stuff over the weekend.

Welcome aboard!

Nick

Nicholas Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
Clark University
[hidden email]
https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/

From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of doug carmichael
Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2020 9:49 AM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: [FRIAM] intro

Good to have joined you for the last part of Zoom yesterday. It was suggested that I post more of an introduction . I have been a long time lurker, maybe five years.

So few more things about me.

After my post doc at Harvard I went toMexico an spent three years with Erich Fromm at his Mexican Psychoanalytic Institute that sadly no longer exists.

I also worked with the White House and John Koskinen on y2k, which was an exposure to more institutions than could have been had any other way.

bio at https://carmichaelconversation.com/bio/

blog at https://carmichaelconversation.com

draft book Gardenworld Politics at

https://medium.com/gardenworld-politics/gardenworld-politics-chapters-and-blog-b8b428d84553

Gardenworld Politics says that we need a vision of the society to rebuild post virus and in the midst of climate issues. The book emerged out of that quest.

Thoughts more than welcome.

virtual hugs

doug.

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thompnickson2

Re: intro

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OH Gosh. I loved it. I know. What’s to love?

Raised two children who went barefoot in Arch Street all winter long, had parties in our big old Victorian house, played WAY TOO MUCH bridge in the coffee room (and never got good at it), lolled around the pool with my family at Strawberry Canyon, went dancing (yes, me, dancing?!) at the Monkey Inn, even went to the Trips Festival. Marched on College Avenue. Happiest years of my life! Almost died in my oral exam. Literally. If I had had a heart condition then, that would have been the end of me. Never missed a hurdle; never failed to set them quivering as I went over.

Her name was Susan Tripp? You MUST have known David Nichols. He was an Old Guy Graduate Student, mustered out of the CIA at 40. Had a sideline spying on us for some spooks in Menlo Park. (He only admitted that to me 20 years later.) I have only met two spies in my life Liked them both. He went on to chair a department at Colorado Springs, I think.

Nick

Nicholas Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology

Clark University

[hidden email]

https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/

From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Doug
Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2020 2:13 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] intro

And here we are still doing complexity coffee!

My committee was Jonas langer, sarbin, crutchfield, slobin and the linguist from linguistics, i forget her name, tall woman.

I hated the architecture and feel for tolman hall. The worst of sq ft per dollar approach to design.

Sent from my iPhone [hidden email]

On Jun 27, 2020, at 10:26 AM, [hidden email] wrote:

Dear Doug,

Our overlap at Berkeley is exact!

I was a behaviorist (French, Beach, Sarbin, Riley, Eichorn, Slobin, etc.) I took also courses in Anthro (Washburn).

I mentioned the coffee urns because it was a testimony to how highly-motivated, highly motivated, inattentive humans are incapable of learning simple discriminations a rat would learn in a microsecond. There were two gigantic coffee urns; one had coffee made, and we could take from it; the other was making coffee, and was forbidden. One had a red light, the other, none. To this day, I do not know whether the red light stood for “forbidden” or “ready!”. It wasn’t just me. People were forever decanting palid coffee into their Styrofoam cups and cursing the result. Some days the “forbidden” urn was a third empty by the time it was ready for use.

We watched through the huge windows as the BioChem Building rose to our west and obscured our view of the Golden Gate.

You probably knew Dave Nichols.

If curious, bio-info contained in My Descent from the Monkey, A Utopian Approach to Ecology and Development, and An Interview With an Old New Realist.

I will look at your stuff over the weekend.

Welcome aboard!

Nick

Nicholas Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
Clark University
[hidden email]
https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/

From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of doug carmichael
Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2020 9:49 AM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: [FRIAM] intro

Good to have joined you for the last part of Zoom yesterday. It was suggested that I post more of an introduction . I have been a long time lurker, maybe five years.

So few more things about me.

After my post doc at Harvard I went toMexico an spent three years with Erich Fromm at his Mexican Psychoanalytic Institute that sadly no longer exists.

I also worked with the White House and John Koskinen on y2k, which was an exposure to more institutions than could have been had any other way.

bio at https://carmichaelconversation.com/bio/

blog at https://carmichaelconversation.com

draft book Gardenworld Politics at

https://medium.com/gardenworld-politics/gardenworld-politics-chapters-and-blog-b8b428d84553

Gardenworld Politics says that we need a vision of the society to rebuild post virus and in the midst of climate issues. The book emerged out of that quest.

Thoughts more than welcome.

virtual hugs

doug.

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thompnickson2

Re: intro

In reply to this post by Frank Wimberly-2

Susan Tripp?

Nicholas Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology

Clark University

[hidden email]

https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/

From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Frank Wimberly
Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2020 2:23 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] intro

Mary Haas?

---
Frank C. Wimberly
140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
Santa Fe, NM 87505

505 670-9918
Santa Fe, NM

On Sat, Jun 27, 2020, 2:14 PM Doug <[hidden email]> wrote:

And here we are still doing complexity coffee!

My committee was Jonas langer, sarbin, crutchfield, slobin and the linguist from linguistics, i forget her name, tall woman.

I hated the architecture and feel for tolman hall. The worst of sq ft per dollar approach to design.
Sent from my iPhone [hidden email]

On Jun 27, 2020, at 10:26 AM, [hidden email] wrote:

Dear Doug,

Our overlap at Berkeley is exact!

I was a behaviorist (French, Beach, Sarbin, Riley, Eichorn, Slobin, etc.) I took also courses in Anthro (Washburn).

I mentioned the coffee urns because it was a testimony to how highly-motivated, highly motivated, inattentive humans are incapable of learning simple discriminations a rat would learn in a microsecond. There were two gigantic coffee urns; one had coffee made, and we could take from it; the other was making coffee, and was forbidden. One had a red light, the other, none. To this day, I do not know whether the red light stood for “forbidden” or “ready!”. It wasn’t just me. People were forever decanting palid coffee into their Styrofoam cups and cursing the result. Some days the “forbidden” urn was a third empty by the time it was ready for use.

We watched through the huge windows as the BioChem Building rose to our west and obscured our view of the Golden Gate.

You probably knew Dave Nichols.

If curious, bio-info contained in My Descent from the Monkey, A Utopian Approach to Ecology and Development, and An Interview With an Old New Realist.

I will look at your stuff over the weekend.

Welcome aboard!

Nick

Nicholas Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
Clark University
[hidden email]
https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/

From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of doug carmichael
Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2020 9:49 AM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: [FRIAM] intro

Good to have joined you for the last part of Zoom yesterday. It was suggested that I post more of an introduction . I have been a long time lurker, maybe five years.

So few more things about me.

After my post doc at Harvard I went toMexico an spent three years with Erich Fromm at his Mexican Psychoanalytic Institute that sadly no longer exists.

I also worked with the White House and John Koskinen on y2k, which was an exposure to more institutions than could have been had any other way.

bio at https://carmichaelconversation.com/bio/

blog at https://carmichaelconversation.com

draft book Gardenworld Politics at

https://medium.com/gardenworld-politics/gardenworld-politics-chapters-and-blog-b8b428d84553

Gardenworld Politics says that we need a vision of the society to rebuild post virus and in the midst of climate issues. The book emerged out of that quest.

Thoughts more than welcome.

virtual hugs

doug.

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doug carmichael

Re: intro

ah yes susan erwin tripp
drein

doug

On Jun 27, 2020, at 1:34 PM, [hidden email] wrote:

Susan Tripp?

Nicholas Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
Clark University
[hidden email]
https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/

From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Frank Wimberly
Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2020 2:23 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] intro

Mary Haas?
---
Frank C. Wimberly
140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
Santa Fe, NM 87505

505 670-9918
Santa Fe, NM

On Sat, Jun 27, 2020, 2:14 PM Doug <[hidden email]> wrote:
And here we are still doing complexity coffee!

My committee was Jonas langer, sarbin, crutchfield, slobin and the linguist from linguistics, i forget her name, tall woman.

I hated the architecture and feel for tolman hall. The worst of sq ft per dollar approach to design.
Sent from my iPhone [hidden email]

On Jun 27, 2020, at 10:26 AM, [hidden email] wrote:

Dear Doug,

Our overlap at Berkeley is exact!

I was a behaviorist (French, Beach, Sarbin, Riley, Eichorn, Slobin, etc.) I took also courses in Anthro (Washburn).

I mentioned the coffee urns because it was a testimony to how highly-motivated, highly motivated, inattentive humans are incapable of learning simple discriminations a rat would learn in a microsecond. There were two gigantic coffee urns; one had coffee made, and we could take from it; the other was making coffee, and was forbidden. One had a red light, the other, none. To this day, I do not know whether the red light stood for “forbidden” or “ready!”. It wasn’t just me. People were forever decanting palid coffee into their Styrofoam cups and cursing the result. Some days the “forbidden” urn was a third empty by the time it was ready for use.

We watched through the huge windows as the BioChem Building rose to our west and obscured our view of the Golden Gate.

You probably knew Dave Nichols.

If curious, bio-info contained in My Descent from the Monkey, A Utopian Approach to Ecology and Development, and An Interview With an Old New Realist.

I will look at your stuff over the weekend.

Welcome aboard!

Nick

Nicholas Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
Clark University
[hidden email]
https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/

From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of doug carmichael
Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2020 9:49 AM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: [FRIAM] intro

Good to have joined you for the last part of Zoom yesterday. It was suggested that I post more of an introduction . I have been a long time lurker, maybe five years.

So few more things about me.

After my post doc at Harvard I went toMexico an spent three years with Erich Fromm at his Mexican Psychoanalytic Institute that sadly no longer exists.

I also worked with the White House and John Koskinen on y2k, which was an exposure to more institutions than could have been had any other way.

bio at https://carmichaelconversation.com/bio/

blog at https://carmichaelconversation.com

draft book Gardenworld Politics at

https://medium.com/gardenworld-politics/gardenworld-politics-chapters-and-blog-b8b428d84553

Gardenworld Politics says that we need a vision of the society to rebuild post virus and in the midst of climate issues. The book emerged out of that quest.

Thoughts more than welcome.

virtual hugs

doug.

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doug carmichael

Re: intro

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you know, I might have the two of you mixed up.

How did we get from the Greek ethos, “the moral environment we live in,” to etheology is the study of animal behavior? I like to think they are more ethical than we are.

doug

On Jun 27, 2020, at 1:27 PM, [hidden email] wrote:

OH Gosh. I loved it. I know. What’s to love?

Raised two children who went barefoot in Arch Street all winter long, had parties in our big old Victorian house, played WAY TOO MUCH bridge in the coffee room (and never got good at it), lolled around the pool with my family at Strawberry Canyon, went dancing (yes, me, dancing?!) at the Monkey Inn, even went to the Trips Festival. Marched on College Avenue. Happiest years of my life! Almost died in my oral exam. Literally. If I had had a heart condition then, that would have been the end of me. Never missed a hurdle; never failed to set them quivering as I went over.

Her name was Susan Tripp? You MUST have known David Nichols. He was an Old Guy Graduate Student, mustered out of the CIA at 40. Had a sideline spying on us for some spooks in Menlo Park. (He only admitted that to me 20 years later.) I have only met two spies in my life Liked them both. He went on to chair a department at Colorado Springs, I think.

Nick

Nicholas Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
Clark University
[hidden email]
https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/

From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Doug
Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2020 2:13 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] intro

And here we are still doing complexity coffee!

My committee was Jonas langer, sarbin, crutchfield, slobin and the linguist from linguistics, i forget her name, tall woman.

I hated the architecture and feel for tolman hall. The worst of sq ft per dollar approach to design.
Sent from my iPhone [hidden email]

On Jun 27, 2020, at 10:26 AM, [hidden email] wrote:

Dear Doug,

Our overlap at Berkeley is exact!

I was a behaviorist (French, Beach, Sarbin, Riley, Eichorn, Slobin, etc.) I took also courses in Anthro (Washburn).

I mentioned the coffee urns because it was a testimony to how highly-motivated, highly motivated, inattentive humans are incapable of learning simple discriminations a rat would learn in a microsecond. There were two gigantic coffee urns; one had coffee made, and we could take from it; the other was making coffee, and was forbidden. One had a red light, the other, none. To this day, I do not know whether the red light stood for “forbidden” or “ready!”. It wasn’t just me. People were forever decanting palid coffee into their Styrofoam cups and cursing the result. Some days the “forbidden” urn was a third empty by the time it was ready for use.

We watched through the huge windows as the BioChem Building rose to our west and obscured our view of the Golden Gate.

You probably knew Dave Nichols.

If curious, bio-info contained in My Descent from the Monkey, A Utopian Approach to Ecology and Development, and An Interview With an Old New Realist.

I will look at your stuff over the weekend.

Welcome aboard!

Nick

Nicholas Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
Clark University
[hidden email]
https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/

From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of doug carmichael
Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2020 9:49 AM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <[hidden email]>
Subject: [FRIAM] intro

Good to have joined you for the last part of Zoom yesterday. It was suggested that I post more of an introduction . I have been a long time lurker, maybe five years.

So few more things about me.

After my post doc at Harvard I went toMexico an spent three years with Erich Fromm at his Mexican Psychoanalytic Institute that sadly no longer exists.

I also worked with the White House and John Koskinen on y2k, which was an exposure to more institutions than could have been had any other way.

bio at https://carmichaelconversation.com/bio/

blog at https://carmichaelconversation.com

draft book Gardenworld Politics at

https://medium.com/gardenworld-politics/gardenworld-politics-chapters-and-blog-b8b428d84553

Gardenworld Politics says that we need a vision of the society to rebuild post virus and in the midst of climate issues. The book emerged out of that quest.

Thoughts more than welcome.

virtual hugs

doug.

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Re: intro

Well, I guess, the study of “customs.” Only one E in ethology.

I like the thought that you mixed me up with Dave. He was a tall, long island patrician from a family of great wealth AND the father of John Nichols who wrote the Malagra Bean Field war and lives near Taos.

Like all spies, he was constantly telling us things about his personal life that made us all cry out, “Too much information Dave>” I think that’s part of the spy “kit.” It’s possible our paths never crossed because I spent an awful lot of time in the Monkey Lab, over in Anthro, and trundling my infant daughter around campus. She just had her 60^th birthday, so that was some time ago. I was a tall, skinny, balding 22 year old with a noticeable limp. I came as an undergraduate in 60 and left as a postdoctoral in biology in 65. Gill French was my thesis adviser.

Nick

Nicholas Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology

Clark University

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From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of doug carmichael
Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2020 3:58 PM
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you know, I might have the two of you mixed up.

How did we get from the Greek ethos, “the moral environment we live in,” to etheology is the study of animal behavior? I like to think they are more ethical than we are.

doug

On Jun 27, 2020, at 1:27 PM, [hidden email] wrote:

OH Gosh. I loved it. I know. What’s to love?

Raised two children who went barefoot in Arch Street all winter long, had parties in our big old Victorian house, played WAY TOO MUCH bridge in the coffee room (and never got good at it), lolled around the pool with my family at Strawberry Canyon, went dancing (yes, me, dancing?!) at the Monkey Inn, even went to the Trips Festival. Marched on College Avenue. Happiest years of my life! Almost died in my oral exam. Literally. If I had had a heart condition then, that would have been the end of me. Never missed a hurdle; never failed to set them quivering as I went over.

Her name was Susan Tripp? You MUST have known David Nichols. He was an Old Guy Graduate Student, mustered out of the CIA at 40. Had a sideline spying on us for some spooks in Menlo Park. (He only admitted that to me 20 years later.) I have only met two spies in my life Liked them both. He went on to chair a department at Colorado Springs, I think.

Nick

Nicholas Thompson
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From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Doug
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And here we are still doing complexity coffee!

My committee was Jonas langer, sarbin, crutchfield, slobin and the linguist from linguistics, i forget her name, tall woman.

I hated the architecture and feel for tolman hall. The worst of sq ft per dollar approach to design.
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On Jun 27, 2020, at 10:26 AM, [hidden email] wrote:

Dear Doug,

Our overlap at Berkeley is exact!

I was a behaviorist (French, Beach, Sarbin, Riley, Eichorn, Slobin, etc.) I took also courses in Anthro (Washburn).

I mentioned the coffee urns because it was a testimony to how highly-motivated, highly motivated, inattentive humans are incapable of learning simple discriminations a rat would learn in a microsecond. There were two gigantic coffee urns; one had coffee made, and we could take from it; the other was making coffee, and was forbidden. One had a red light, the other, none. To this day, I do not know whether the red light stood for “forbidden” or “ready!”. It wasn’t just me. People were forever decanting palid coffee into their Styrofoam cups and cursing the result. Some days the “forbidden” urn was a third empty by the time it was ready for use.

We watched through the huge windows as the BioChem Building rose to our west and obscured our view of the Golden Gate.

You probably knew Dave Nichols.

If curious, bio-info contained in My Descent from the Monkey, A Utopian Approach to Ecology and Development, and An Interview With an Old New Realist.

I will look at your stuff over the weekend.

Welcome aboard!

Nick

Nicholas Thompson
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Clark University
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From: Friam <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of doug carmichael
Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2020 9:49 AM
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Good to have joined you for the last part of Zoom yesterday. It was suggested that I post more of an introduction . I have been a long time lurker, maybe five years.

So few more things about me.

After my post doc at Harvard I went toMexico an spent three years with Erich Fromm at his Mexican Psychoanalytic Institute that sadly no longer exists.

I also worked with the White House and John Koskinen on y2k, which was an exposure to more institutions than could have been had any other way.

bio at https://carmichaelconversation.com/bio/

blog at https://carmichaelconversation.com

draft book Gardenworld Politics at

https://medium.com/gardenworld-politics/gardenworld-politics-chapters-and-blog-b8b428d84553

Gardenworld Politics says that we need a vision of the society to rebuild post virus and in the midst of climate issues. The book emerged out of that quest.

Thoughts more than welcome.

virtual hugs

doug.

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