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interactive media bias chart

https://www.adfontesmedia.com/interactive-media-bias-chart-2/

from the FAQ:

> Ad Fontes Media is a Public Benefit Corporation in Colorado, which means it is a for-profit corporation with a stated public benefit mission. That mission is "to make news consumers smarter and news media better."
>
> The startup company, which was founded in February of 2018, was initially self-funded by its Founder and CEO, Vanessa Otero, who is a patent attorney in Westminster, CO. The company's initial products included digital licenses and poster prints of the Media Bias Chart®. Ad Fontes Media can and does accept individual donations through its, but they are not tax deductible.
>
> From September to November 2018, the company ran a crowdfunding campaign on Indiegogo and raised approximately $32,000 from 508 individual backers. This funding was used to hire a team of part-time analysts to conduct our first Multi-Analyst Ratings Project, build our database, and build out our Interactive Media Bias Chart.
>
> Since August 2019, Ad Fontes Media has expanded its products and services to include the following:
>
> Individual memberships that provide updated licensed versions of the Media Bias Chart and other benefits
> An educational news literacy software platform called CART, available via subscription
> News rating data via API
> Media Bias Chart merchandise such as mugs, t-shirts, stickers, and posters.
>
> Ad Fontes Media does not sell ads on its website. Ad Fontes Media currently has no organizational donors or outside investors; however, Ad Fontes Media may seek such funding to grow in the future and will disclose any such funding sources on this site.

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gepr

Re: interactive media bias chart

Complex or clickbait?: The problematic Media Bias Chart
https://acrlog.org/2021/02/23/complex-or-clickbait-the-problematic-media-bias-chart/

On 1/13/21 11:52 AM, uǝlƃ ↙↙↙ wrote:

>
> https://www.adfontesmedia.com/interactive-media-bias-chart-2/
>
> from the FAQ:
>> Ad Fontes Media is a Public Benefit Corporation in Colorado, which means it is a for-profit corporation with a stated public benefit mission. That mission is "to make news consumers smarter and news media better."
>>
>> The startup company, which was founded in February of 2018, was initially self-funded by its Founder and CEO, Vanessa Otero, who is a patent attorney in Westminster, CO. The company's initial products included digital licenses and poster prints of the Media Bias Chart®. Ad Fontes Media can and does accept individual donations through its, but they are not tax deductible.
>>
>> From September to November 2018, the company ran a crowdfunding campaign on Indiegogo and raised approximately $32,000 from 508 individual backers. This funding was used to hire a team of part-time analysts to conduct our first Multi-Analyst Ratings Project, build our database, and build out our Interactive Media Bias Chart.
>>
>> Since August 2019, Ad Fontes Media has expanded its products and services to include the following:
>>
>> Individual memberships that provide updated licensed versions of the Media Bias Chart and other benefits
>> An educational news literacy software platform called CART, available via subscription
>> News rating data via API
>> Media Bias Chart merchandise such as mugs, t-shirts, stickers, and posters.
>>
>> Ad Fontes Media does not sell ads on its website. Ad Fontes Media currently has no organizational donors or outside investors; however, Ad Fontes Media may seek such funding to grow in the future and will disclose any such funding sources on this site.
>
>

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Steve Smith

Re: interactive media bias chart

Great find! I admit to being taken by this chart when I first found it, simply (or most notably?) because I was so hungry for it.

I appreciate the analysis in the linked article, but I attribute a lot of the use(full-less)ness of the chart to it's significant dimension reduction, and the specific choice of basis space.

It seems *we* visited another acute reduction a few months back with what I took to be a strong self-image bias at the time:

http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/2020/10/the-homunculus-edition.html

Complex or clickbait?: The problematic Media Bias Chart
https://acrlog.org/2021/02/23/complex-or-clickbait-the-problematic-media-bias-chart/


On 1/13/21 11:52 AM, uǝlƃ ↙↙↙ wrote:

https://www.adfontesmedia.com/interactive-media-bias-chart-2/

from the FAQ:

Ad Fontes Media is a Public Benefit Corporation in Colorado, which means it is a for-profit corporation with a stated public benefit mission. That mission is "to make news consumers smarter and news media better."

The startup company, which was founded in February of 2018, was initially self-funded by its Founder and CEO, Vanessa Otero, who is a patent attorney in Westminster, CO. The company's initial products included digital licenses and poster prints of the Media Bias Chart®. Ad Fontes Media can and does accept individual donations through its, but they are not tax deductible.

From September to November 2018, the company ran a crowdfunding campaign on Indiegogo and raised approximately $32,000 from 508 individual backers. This funding was used to hire a team of part-time analysts to conduct our first Multi-Analyst Ratings Project, build our database, and build out our Interactive Media Bias Chart.

Since August 2019, Ad Fontes Media has expanded its products and services to include the following:

Individual memberships that provide updated licensed versions of the Media Bias Chart and other benefits
An educational news literacy software platform called CART, available via subscription
News rating data via API
Media Bias Chart merchandise such as mugs, t-shirts, stickers, and posters.

Ad Fontes Media does not sell ads on its website. Ad Fontes Media currently has no organizational donors or outside investors; however, Ad Fontes Media may seek such funding to grow in the future and will disclose any such funding sources on this site.

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gepr

Re: interactive media bias chart

Yeah, but the point I've made at least more than once is that *some* of us (not me) have the cognitive power to be fluid with our interest in dimension reduction. But most of us do not. I was jerked back into thinking about the asymmetry of radicalization this morning by stumbling across this post:

Science Says Sam Harris is Alt-Right
https://hwfo.substack.com/p/science-says-sam-harris-is-alt-right

Although I completely disagree with (the NYT article) clumping Scott Alexander in with the so-called lefties of the IDW (e.g. Weinstein or Harris), Scott's argument that rationalism can be *both* an on-ramp *and* an off-ramp to radicalization is fundamentally flawed. What Scott misses, I think, is that it's much harder to get off of some ideal than it is to get onto some ideal ... like a deep basin of attraction. Scott (and many of the people on this list) DOES have the cognitive power to slide in and out of alternative reductions. But Dunning-Kruger warns you super smart people against over-estimating the competence of your lessers (like me).

And this targets, nicely, BC Smith's concept of preemptive registration. Once you've *grokked* a reductive model, it is exceedingly difficult to un-grok it so you can grok an incommensurate alternative.

Plus, the old adages about judging people by their [friends|enemies] works just as well in these contexts. Or Nietzsche's staring into the abyss. That [Joe Rogan|Jim Rutt|...] is so friendly with such horrible people, puts him at risk for being a horrible person. And here is where I side with (what I think) Nick and EricC might say. If you act like a duck, you *are* a duck. Wear that Chip-of-I've-Been-Cancelled on your shoulder long enough and you will become that Chip-Wearing-Person.

It's a difficult game to play. So I choose agnosticism and skepticism as the rule, not the exception. Reduction is powerful. And like all powerful technologies, it's as dangerous as it is powerful.

On 2/26/21 8:27 AM, Steve Smith wrote:
> Great find! I admit to being taken by this chart when I first found it, simply (or most notably?) because I was so hungry for it.
>
> I appreciate the analysis in the linked article, but I attribute a lot of the use(full-less)ness of the chart to it's significant dimension reduction, and the specific choice of basis space.
>
> It seems *we* visited another acute reduction a few months back with what I took to be a strong self-image bias at the time:
>
> http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/2020/10/the-homunculus-edition.html

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jon zingale

Re: interactive media bias chart

To thread bend a little, there is something here in your description of
*reduction hysteresis* that sympathizes with my recent reflection on *mood*.
The Pärt and the Merlin you sent me are of a kind such that I can listen for
a while before habitually producing the same within myself, nothing specific
necessarily, but a generalized mood. It is quite different than getting a
song in my head, it's more like the babblings of a neural net. At times in
my life, such moods have had surprisingly long-lasting (on the order of
months) effects on my emotions and possibly on my decisions. As far as
horrible people, I am in no hurry to make such reductions.

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gepr

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Yeah, that's a nice tie-in. I'm a moody person, not in the "stuck in a mood" sense, but in the traditional schizoidal sense. My parents called me "hyper-sensitive", which predates "snowflake" by some 40 years I guess. But following along with the conversation last Friday, one's algorithmic depth is an "impedance match" coupling to one's environment. The simplistic inference might be to argue that shallow algorithms are a marker for shallow realities (or the idea that circumstances are actually homogenous and universal - or xenophobic people didn't travel enough as kids). But the more interesting inference is that if we limit the dimensionality of the transduction boundary, we'll indirectly limit the hysteresis. We moody people suffer from low dimension sensori-motor interfaces. You stuck-in-a-mood people suffer from a high dimension interface.

Of course that means I'm now Googling LTA Research like a dorky middle schooler.

On 2/26/21 11:23 AM, jon zingale wrote:
> To thread bend a little, there is something here in your description of
> *reduction hysteresis* that sympathizes with my recent reflection on *mood*.
> The Pärt and the Merlin you sent me are of a kind such that I can listen for
> a while before habitually producing the same within myself, nothing specific
> necessarily, but a generalized mood. It is quite different than getting a
> song in my head, it's more like the babblings of a neural net. At times in
> my life, such moods have had surprisingly long-lasting (on the order of
> months) effects on my emotions and possibly on my decisions. As far as
> horrible people, I am in no hurry to make such reductions.

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Marcus G. Daniels

Re: interactive media bias chart

I'm sure they meant it in the sense of an exquisite quantum magnetometer. I remember one day when one of our colleagues remarked on Glen's numerous elaborate models of his social environment. Interesting because the accusation was, as I understood it, a lack of grounded information in his models. Unless that magnetometer was providing grounded information and the other extrovert in that conversation simply lacked such a metaphorical device?

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Yeah, that's a nice tie-in. I'm a moody person, not in the "stuck in a mood" sense, but in the traditional schizoidal sense. My parents called me "hyper-sensitive", which predates "snowflake" by some 40 years I guess. But following along with the conversation last Friday, one's algorithmic depth is an "impedance match" coupling to one's environment. The simplistic inference might be to argue that shallow algorithms are a marker for shallow realities (or the idea that circumstances are actually homogenous and universal - or xenophobic people didn't travel enough as kids). But the more interesting inference is that if we limit the dimensionality of the transduction boundary, we'll indirectly limit the hysteresis. We moody people suffer from low dimension sensori-motor interfaces. You stuck-in-a-mood people suffer from a high dimension interface.

Of course that means I'm now Googling LTA Research like a dorky middle schooler.

On 2/26/21 11:23 AM, jon zingale wrote:

> To thread bend a little, there is something here in your description
> of *reduction hysteresis* that sympathizes with my recent reflection on *mood*.
> The Pärt and the Merlin you sent me are of a kind such that I can
> listen for a while before habitually producing the same within myself,
> nothing specific necessarily, but a generalized mood. It is quite
> different than getting a song in my head, it's more like the babblings
> of a neural net. At times in my life, such moods have had surprisingly
> long-lasting (on the order of
> months) effects on my emotions and possibly on my decisions. As far as
> horrible people, I am in no hurry to make such reductions.

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gepr

Re: interactive media bias chart

Eureka! I knew those voices were telling the truth all along. I should start listening more closely.

I know it's a joke. But there really does seem to be a diversity in "organ" composition for animals. Our new cat, for example, seems like he has something like "face blindness". All the other cats will look at our eyes when trying to manipulate us into feeding them or opening the door ... or figuring out if we're going to chase them. The new guy just does not seem to have that piece of wetware. He has no truck with looking into anyone's eyes, not even the other cats. When will we get fMRIs the size of tennis balls so we can strap it on a cat's head and take live data?

On 2/26/21 11:46 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
> I'm sure they meant it in the sense of an exquisite quantum magnetometer. I remember one day when one of our colleagues remarked on Glen's numerous elaborate models of his social environment. Interesting because the accusation was, as I understood it, a lack of grounded information in his models. Unless that magnetometer was providing grounded information and the other extrovert in that conversation simply lacked such a metaphorical device?

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Marcus G. Daniels

Re: interactive media bias chart

I was thinking of more a total bandwidth issue. If one has individual sensors that are high resolution and high sensitivity there are not as many sensors that can take data given fixed processing power. So the extrovert has crummy 1 bit detectors, but draws from many of them, and (rightly or wrongly) claims to be more grounded. Introverts feel like they are constantly getting beaten by others' needs and emotions. A loud cacophony that is skull-splitting.

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Subject: Re: [FRIAM] interactive media bias chart

Eureka! I knew those voices were telling the truth all along. I should start listening more closely.

I know it's a joke. But there really does seem to be a diversity in "organ" composition for animals. Our new cat, for example, seems like he has something like "face blindness". All the other cats will look at our eyes when trying to manipulate us into feeding them or opening the door ... or figuring out if we're going to chase them. The new guy just does not seem to have that piece of wetware. He has no truck with looking into anyone's eyes, not even the other cats. When will we get fMRIs the size of tennis balls so we can strap it on a cat's head and take live data?

On 2/26/21 11:46 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
> I'm sure they meant it in the sense of an exquisite quantum magnetometer. I remember one day when one of our colleagues remarked on Glen's numerous elaborate models of his social environment. Interesting because the accusation was, as I understood it, a lack of grounded information in his models. Unless that magnetometer was providing grounded information and the other extrovert in that conversation simply lacked such a metaphorical device?

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gepr

Re: interactive media bias chart

Ah, yeah. I totally missed that. But still, a sensor could be common to both types, but the organ that samples the sensor might be different... faster, coarser truncation, ignoring some channels, etc. The boundary is fuzzy.

On February 26, 2021 12:12:20 PM PST, Marcus Daniels <[hidden email]> wrote:
>I was thinking of more a total bandwidth issue. If one has individual
>sensors that are high resolution and high sensitivity there are not as
>many sensors that can take data given fixed processing power. So the
>extrovert has crummy 1 bit detectors, but draws from many of them, and
>(rightly or wrongly) claims to be more grounded. Introverts feel like
>they are constantly getting beaten by others' needs and emotions. A
>loud cacophony that is skull-splitting.
>

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