if by 'populism' he meant ...

[gepr]

Well, that sounds quite similar to Steve's "mobacracy". Do you see that as different?

FWIW, the definition I think is mostly right is any particular ideology that separates society into 2 groups, ordinary people and *corrupted* elites. The important part is that the particular ideologies grouped as populist may not share *any* other similarity, only that they separate into normies vs. corrupt elites. That collection of ideologies isn't an ideology in itself... it's more like a set of behaviors, which is why Marcus' criticism seems to work so well. So, it may not be ideological at all. And in Trump's case, it may not even be strategic, just an ad hoc set of tactics or pre-existing behaviors that he learned by chance and that happened to route him into his role as the Cheeto Jesus.

On 12/24/20 8:56 AM, [hidden email] wrote:
> "Being guided in your choice of policies primarily by the roar of the crowd in front of you.  Or the twitter feed."

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if you ignore the fact that it was written in 1988 and reflects only what I knew then, I will send you a pdf of the appropriate chapter of the dissertation.

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On Thu, Dec 24, 2020, at 1:06 PM, glen∉ℂ wrote:

>
> Excellent! Ignoring your vTAO for a second, I distinguish culture from
> a psychogenic delusion by its exogenous inputs. Culture, as I imagine
> it, is *definitely* derived from the actual world, whereas a
> psychogenic delusion *may* not be.
>
> On to your vTAO, I like the construction. But to pursue it as a
> mechanism, I'd want it to talk a bit about the coupling between the
> layers. E.g. between the core and culture, it seems clear that
> biological evolution is slower than cultural evolution. (Though with
> all the new data about microbiomes in our gut, on our skin, etc, as
> well as epigentics, it's not *that* clear.) That relative rate
> difference implies a loose coupling. *If* we can say/show that the
> coupling is *very* loose, such that one layer can have more or fewer
> degrees of freedom, *then* we might get to psychogenesis. We could also
> use error or randomness to do that.
>
> On 12/24/20 9:05 AM, Prof David West wrote:
> > This is not about populism per se, but about your formulations.
> >
> > The very first post made we wonder how you would differentiate between a mass delusion and culture — other than put them on some kind of continuum or making the first a subset of the latter. None of your subsequent posts dealing with 'mechanisms/formulations' clarified this question.
> >
> > An alternative mechanism/formulation you might consider: the vTAO or virtual Adaptive Topographic Organism.
> >
> > You have never heard of this before because it was a model I proposed in my doctoral dissertation and I never had the chance to followup or operationalize the model because I was hired to teach software development.
> >
> > My problem was how culture affected cognition. The model starts with the Hopfield metaphor of a neural net: raindrops (inputs) falling on a topography (established by connection weights) and being channeled to low points (outputs). The topography was shaped by learning and adjustment of the weights.
> >
> > I extended this metaphor/model but making connection weights a function of the "constancy" of the inputs; with constancy being a combination of frequency and consistency. A feedback loop was established with the outputs altering the environment and altering the constancy of the inputs.
> >
> > Trivial example: you paint the inside of your house red (output) and that increases the constancy of receiving 'red' inputs.
> >
> > The metaphor/model was extended with seven 'layers' of topography: e.g. a core layer where the constancy is established simply by being carbon=based lifeforms, to  culture shaping the gross geographic features, the penultimate layer of habit being akin to watershed, and the final layer being more or less intentional thought / free will / decision making etc.
> >
> > In my mind's eye I can see how the vTAO is consistent with, supportive of, the mechanisms/formulations in your posts, but that might just be misplaced pride in authorship.
>
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