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I'm surprised at how good the critter seems. My main concern is that
it doesn't have a camera, so skype would be somewhat disabled. But that seems to be the only serious lack, and will likely be there for future versions. Amazingly, the iPhone/Touch apps work with the iPad, in 2x mode. So it starts out with a LOT of apps. The NYTimes app looks great! MLB (baseball for folks not in the know) built an interactive view of real- time games. Games are touch enabled, and use the positional controls as well. The art program, Brushes, is really cool .. very Santa Fe. The stunt of a new SDK, that integrates both iPhone and iPad. EASports has already converted many of their apps to the iPad. And it works with a bluetooth keyboard, thereby being a "laptop" when needed. That was my greatest concern. I can't believe I've watched the keynote -- 1.5 hrs! It is NOT just a laptop. The apps really are different. Homage made to Kindle, then iBooks shown which is really killer. The iTunes is now adding books to their media world. Boy was I skeptical. But I've gotten in line, and will buy one asap! And its the same cost as the large Kindle DX. If it gets the battery life it claims (10 hrs) .. even 5 would be great for me. I sure hope it can use Java for NetLogo! We'll see. Sure there's a lot to sneer at, but this is really yet another apple game changer. -- Owen ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org |
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The video looks d*** good too:
http://www.apple.com/ipad/ipad-video/ but there's no mention of a phone... darn. Surely someone will add an app for that? Robert C On 1/27/10 10:10 PM, Owen Densmore wrote: > I'm surprised at how good the critter seems. My main concern is that > it doesn't have a camera, so skype would be somewhat disabled. But > that seems to be the only serious lack, and will likely be there for > future versions. > > Amazingly, the iPhone/Touch apps work with the iPad, in 2x mode. So > it starts out with a LOT of apps. The NYTimes app looks great! MLB > (baseball for folks not in the know) built an interactive view of > real-time games. > > Games are touch enabled, and use the positional controls as well. The > art program, Brushes, is really cool .. very Santa Fe. The stunt of a > new SDK, that integrates both iPhone and iPad. EASports has already > converted many of their apps to the iPad. > > And it works with a bluetooth keyboard, thereby being a "laptop" when > needed. That was my greatest concern. I can't believe I've watched > the keynote -- 1.5 hrs! > > It is NOT just a laptop. The apps really are different. Homage made > to Kindle, then iBooks shown which is really killer. The iTunes is > now adding books to their media world. > > Boy was I skeptical. But I've gotten in line, and will buy one asap! > And its the same cost as the large Kindle DX. If it gets the battery > life it claims (10 hrs) .. even 5 would be great for me. I sure hope > it can use Java for NetLogo! We'll see. > > Sure there's a lot to sneer at, but this is really yet another apple > game changer. > > -- Owen > > > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org > > ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org |
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Skype already works on the iPhone, so maybe also for iPAD?
2010/1/28 Robert J. Cordingley <[hidden email]> The video looks d*** good too: -- Saul Caganoff Enterprise IT Architect Mobile: +61 410 430 809 LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/scaganoff ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org |
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Thanks Owen. I'll just wipe the drool off of the inside of my monitor now...
;-}
--Doug On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 10:10 PM, Owen Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote: I'm surprised at how good the critter seems. My main concern is that it doesn't have a camera, so skype would be somewhat disabled. But that seems to be the only serious lack, and will likely be there for future versions. -- Doug Roberts [hidden email] [hidden email] 505-455-7333 - Office 505-670-8195 - Cell ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org |
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On Jan 27, 2010, at 10:40 PM, Saul Caganoff wrote:
> Skype already works on the iPhone, so maybe also for iPAD? Yes, apparently there is iPhone/iPad compatibility .. as well as dual SDKs. But one thing I missed earlier may be even more compelling: the 3G plans. They are pre-paid, at two levels: $15 for a 250MB/month level, and $30 for unlimited data. AND you can start/stop when you want, it's not a contract. No hidden startup fees either. (Just curious: How many Friamers have really good 3G? And if so, how do you use it?) This is a huge breakthrough in terms of taming the telcos. As we mentioned last month, the Android is doing a similar thing: you choose a phone, then you get a carrier to provide the wireless. Although ATT is going to be the initial provider, the iPad is unlocked, so should work fine with other providers like TMobile. ATT is also including free access to their wifi hotspots, but I doubt that's all that widespread. Now, I don't think I'll be getting the 3G option because 3G is not generally available here in Santa Fe yet. And the ATT network has already buckled under the iPhone/Android load so I doubt it will have the great performance we'd hoped for. I don't know about TMobile, however. They have pretty good coverage here in Santa Fe and would likely be the first 3G solution here. Europe should be fine, and that might nudge me to the 3G version .. but I'd only use it on trips. But clearly the direction is a blend of cell/wifi that is becoming universal. The kindle does not have wifi, but does have 2 radios: GSM/ CDMA. But we find we can't use their two cell radios at home so we do the old-fashioned thing of downloading to the laptop then putting the book on the kindle via usb. -- Owen ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org |
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Owen -
> I'm surprised at how good the critter seems. My main concern is that > it doesn't have a camera, so skype would be somewhat disabled. But > that seems to be the only serious lack, and will likely be there for > future versions. I think Apple will do well with this, despite my own personal disappointment. I had hoped mightily for a full OSX notebook... so am disappointed by that. Second to that, I had hoped for something I could buy to replace my wife's geriatric 12" G4 which is barely (not quite actually) serving her right now (Can't keep the ffing web browsers from crashing and can't find a combination of browser and ??javascript?? that is stable anymore and the slot-DVD player is finicky). She really only needs Web, E-mail, iTunes and DVD playing.... but the iPad doesn't offer a DVD player (nor any obvious way to connect one easily/properly). I'm sure there is a way through "Family Share" to watch DVDs inserted into another computer on a local net or a way to rip them down, but this really doesn't fit my wife's use patterns and for all those here who are married, you must know that thinking you can change one's spouses way of doing things is the path to madness and marital discontent. I had just been considering a portable DVD player (iLuv, Phillips 951, ...) with an iPhone dock... but the shortcoming there is the lack of keyboard for the iPhone... maybe the iPad's needs for a bluetooth keyboard will lead to the iPhone having the same feature? > > Amazingly, the iPhone/Touch apps work with the iPad, in 2x mode. So > it starts out with a LOT of apps. The NYTimes app looks great! MLB > (baseball for folks not in the know) built an interactive view of > real-time games. I think the NYT app would be her best friend. She already uses it on her iPhone but naturally rails at the small screen. > > Games are touch enabled, and use the positional controls as well. The > art program, Brushes, is really cool .. very Santa Fe. Her second favorite iPhone app... I imagine she would appreciate it even more with a bigger screen. > The stunt of a new SDK, that integrates both iPhone and iPad. > EASports has already converted many of their apps to the iPad. > > And it works with a bluetooth keyboard, thereby being a "laptop" when > needed. That was my greatest concern. I can't believe I've watched > the keynote -- 1.5 hrs! > > It is NOT just a laptop. The apps really are different. Homage made > to Kindle, then iBooks shown which is really killer. The iTunes is > now adding books to their media world. always be confounded by the need for market differentiation/penetration-resistance. Se La Vie. > > Boy was I skeptical. But I've gotten in line, and will buy one asap! > And its the same cost as the large Kindle DX. If it gets the battery > life it claims (10 hrs) .. even 5 would be great for me. I sure hope > it can use Java for NetLogo! We'll see. I'm doubtful that Java (or NetLogo) is going to be available here for the same reasons as the iPhone... but maybe time will tell, maybe things will evolve more quickly now. > > Sure there's a lot to sneer at, but this is really yet another apple > game changer. I agree that it is a game changer. Maybe not as significant/acute as the iPod or then the iPhone/iPod-touch but something big nevertheless. A Kindle with good web surfing/e-mail. I haven't heard any other minor announcements (rumors of a red MacBook to complement the Black and the White?)... or was it all iPad? ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org |
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Robert J. Cordingley wrote:
> The video looks d*** good too: > http://www.apple.com/ipad/ipad-video/ > but there's no mention of a phone... darn. Surely someone will add an > app for that? There are already Skype-compatible iPhone Apps (I don't have the bandwidth nor the patience to use them myself) which achieve some level of that. I agree with Owen that the lack of camera sucks for this (and other) reasons. ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org |
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On Jan 28, 2010, at 11:58 AM, Steve Smith wrote:
> Owen - >> I'm surprised at how good the critter seems. My main concern is >> that it doesn't have a camera, so skype would be somewhat >> disabled. But that seems to be the only serious lack, and will >> likely be there for future versions. > I think Apple will do well with this, despite my own personal > disappointment. > > I had hoped mightily for a full OSX notebook... so am disappointed > by that. Well, that's sorta what the Air is all about, right? Irene has brought hers to the complex in the past, and it looks pretty good. No DVD in that either, however .. but you can plug one into it. > <snip> > She really only needs Web, E-mail, iTunes and DVD playing.... but > the iPad doesn't offer a DVD player (nor any obvious way to connect > one easily/properly). I'm sure there is a way through "Family > Share" to watch DVDs inserted into another computer on a local net > or a way to rip them down, but this really doesn't fit my wife's use > patterns and for all those here who are married, you must know that > thinking you can change one's spouses way of doing things is the > path to madness and marital discontent. > > I had just been considering a portable DVD player (iLuv, Phillips > 951, ...) with an iPhone dock... but the shortcoming there is the > lack of keyboard for the iPhone... maybe the iPad's needs for a > bluetooth keyboard will lead to the iPhone having the same feature? My guess is that the after market hardware devices will be a big one, which will include easy ways to watch dvds on the iPad. Certainly the Mac mini can broadcast DVDs, but you'd have to want to have a small server in the house. We use a SlingBox to push video around the house, generally from the TiVo but it can put any video source onto your home wifi. I'd bet quite a bit that the keyboard they offer will work with the iphone, but will look a bit weird! There already is a bluetooth hack for jailbroken iphones that allows use of the small folding keyboards (treo et all) The bigger picture is that we've all got an ecology, that just got one more member: - Laptop/Desktop - Phone - TV/TiVo/DVD - Web Hosting/Media - iPad & other 'tweeners like netbooks. Keeping them all in synch is non-trivial, and figuring out how they all fit into your life style ditto. The best example of this for me was watching the NFL playoffs in Italy using my MacBook via SlingBox. > I haven't heard any other minor announcements (rumors of a red > MacBook to complement the Black and the White?)... or was it all iPad? All iPad as far as I know. -- Owen ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org |
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Owen
>> I had hoped mightily for a full OSX notebook... so am disappointed by >> that. > > Well, that's sorta what the Air is all about, right? Irene has > brought hers to the complex in the past, and it looks pretty good. No > DVD in that either, however .. but you can plug one into it. Flip the screen over and add multi-touch and yes... then the Air would be perfect. There is a third-party that makes notebooks out of MacBook Pros (or did a few years ago) but the plus-up is $1000 or more on an already (acceptable but) expensive platform. > The bigger picture is that we've all got an ecology, that just got one > more member: > - Laptop/Desktop > - Phone > - TV/TiVo/DVD > - Web Hosting/Media > - iPad & other 'tweeners like netbooks. > Keeping them all in synch is non-trivial, and figuring out how they > all fit into your life style ditto. The best example of this for me > was watching the NFL playoffs in Italy using my MacBook via SlingBox. ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org |
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Owen - don't get too excited by the hype. You could end up in the same position as this Apple fanboy
-- R
On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 1:14 PM, Steve Smith <[hidden email]> wrote: Owen ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org |
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<snicker>
I was going to do an Owen Fanboi comment last night, but bit my tongue instead. Here's a good article about the iPad (and why does that name evoke an image of some kind of feminine hygiene product?)
--Doug
On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 1:26 PM, Robert Holmes <[hidden email]> wrote: Owen - don't get too excited by the hype. You could end up in the same position as this Apple fanboy ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org |
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On Jan 28, 2010, at 1:34 PM, Douglas Roberts wrote:
> <snicker> > > I was going to do an Owen Fanboi comment last night, but bit my > tongue instead. Have no fear, I own an iPhone. That I had to jailbreak. And unlock. And do without their cool net-un-neutral voice mail. And deal with the appstore which "filters" unworthy apps. And doesn't support the keyboard bluetooth protocol. Without Java, which I use a lot. No fanboy. Apple just sucks less than all the rest. Hardly an accolade. -- Owen ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org |
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Ok, a reluctant Fanboi, maybe. Or, perhaps more accurately: a truculent one.
;-}
On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 1:57 PM, Owen Densmore <[hidden email]> wrote:
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On 1/28/10 1:57 PM, Owen Densmore wrote:
> Apple just sucks less than all the rest. Hardly an accolade. This looks interesting.. http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/ https://www.mozilla.com/en-US/mobile/1.0/releasenotes/ ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org |
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Add this to the stack:
A dual boot phone? -- rec --
On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 2:04 PM, Marcus G. Daniels <[hidden email]> wrote:
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On 1/28/10 2:44 PM, Roger Critchlow wrote:
Add this to the stack:http://gigaom.com/2009/10/19/on-mobile-phones-firefoxs-big-bet-is-nokia-android/ ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org |
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I can just imagine that 'amateur coder' typing away on his Nokia phone developing all that Android code. Entering a little 300x120 debugger window every now & then, doing little compiles, doing lots of little Android reboots...
It boggles my little imagination. I bet his thumbs are sore. --Doug
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Robert Holmes wrote:
Owen - don't get too excited by the hype. You could end up in the same position as this Apple fanboyWhile I'm not as demonstrative as this toothbrush-mustachioed feller, I have to admit that I resonated with the entire rant! - s ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org |
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Ran across these:
http://www.pcworld.com/printable/article/id,188827/printable.html http://radar.oreilly.com/2010/01/ipad-and-publishers.html It discusses the ebook scramble iPad is causing. This is interesting because I got a Kindle for Christmas, which I like a lot. BUT the Kindle is sorta still in beta, at least for my usage. Also for the rest of the family: - WiFi: It doesn't have it, and I live in a cell-dead zone. Amazon will let me get the book via wifi, but to my computer and then to the kindle. And its sorta confusing, you have to click a bunch to get it right. - Text books: Not so hot, not many titles. And a popular math book I hand out to friends (Math, a very short intro by Gowers) has weird formatting where section headers are vertical! - Collections: We got what we hoped was a collection of romance novels (blush) but the Kindle book site screwed it up and just sent us just one of them. - PDFs: The great thing about hooking the kindle to your computer is that it appears as a USB disk, so easy to drop PDFs on it. Bad news is that the aspect ratio is poor unless you paid the $$ for a kindle DX which is basically the price of the iPad. No auto rotate via sensors, but there is a button for landscape. Basically, the kindle is great for standard trade paperbacks with no pictures. And kindle is subsidizing their ebooks. But nothing with a large format or with color. And their format is not very standard, like iPad's epub format. I wonder what O'Reilly is planning? My bet is that all the tech books will be there pronto, they already release books in pdf before they release paper, and by as much as 0.5 year. Don't get me wrong: even though the Amazon web site does not manage kindle media well, and the device has some quirks, its still absfab, and the charge lasts for a week! But for some uses it is amateurish. I bet the iPad eventually wins the ebook battle if for no other reason that they leave the pricing and marketing up to the publishers, and use standard formats. We definitely are not planning on parting with our kindle, but on the other hand, are getting an iPad .. if not the first version, the second which will have a web cam. -- Owen ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org |
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